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[edit] Championships

Stop deleting that Newell's Old Boys won six championships, because it's true. Newell's Old Boys won the title in 1974 (1st), 1987-88 Season (2nd), Apertura 1990 (3rd), 1990-91 Season (4th), but AFA only counted one title of that last 2, but people counts them as two titles. The 5th title was the 1992 Clausura, and Apertura 2004 was the 6th title. So stop deleting it.

Also, do not delete the list of famous supporters. And if you wish to delete it, also delete the Rosario Central list. Because they have the same purpose. So if one is important, the other one is important too.

Dear anonymous
1. Newells won only 5 championships. You forget that in the 1990/1991, and for that single time, the winner of the Apertura (Newells) played a match against the winner of the Clausura (Boca) to define the 1990/1991 champion. Newells won that match, there fore, the 1991 clausura championship does not compute among Boca championships, and the 1990 apertura does not compute for Newells, only the 1990/91 Championship computed.
2. The list of important matches seams to be, well, unimportant. And it includes errors, such as the 'first AFA match' 8 years after the official one...
Please, I understand you are a Newells fan, but try to see this from the eyes of a complete foreigner who only wants a bit of info about the team.
3. It's true, Rosario Central has A FEW (6) famous supporters, which are WIDELY known (4 of them have their own wikipedia article) and WIDELY known to support Central, whereas Newells article included, for instance Pachu Peña, who is not internationally (nor even nationally) recognised.
Is really Fidel Castro a Newells fan? Maybe, you've got any source? Gabriela Sabatini? Luppi?
Anyway, I would suggest you to SERIOUSLY cut down the list of fans, because it is unimportant to the article itself if Hijitus was indeed a Newells fan or not.
I will remove the list of important matches, and cut down the list of supporters (even though I don't know them to be supporters) to thouse I believe to be important. Hope we can find the Equilibrium.
Thanks for your understanding, and please create your own Wikipedian user for your edits.
--Marianocecowski 12:07, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Dear Mariano Cecowski:

1. It's clear that you are a supporter of Rosario Central. I didn't forget that the 6th star is not official. But Newell's people consider it a win, as Boca Juniors people has the team of 1991 Clausura in the Hall of Fame (Batistuta, Latorre, Navarro Montoya... that team). A similar fact happened on 1936 with River Plate and San Lorenzo, so it's not the 1st time it happened. Don't come to tell me about the history of football, because it's something I'm expert at.

And they were 2 matchs on the Final, not one.

2. I perfectly know that AFA profesionalism began on 1931, and both teams from Rosario joined it on 1939. I actually wrote it in the article, that I started myself. With "1st AFA match" I meant that it was the 1st Newell's AFA match, and that in the big debut Newell's defeated a so called big team, like San Lorenzo. On the other side, Rosario Central lost the debut in AFA. In that championship, Newell's came 3rd and Rosario Central in the last places. And that history repeated for a long way after the years.

Abd if you know of another so called error, as you said the list had, please let me know and I'll send you the source.

3. The supporters. I don't think the supporters are important. I just made a list because some stupid person made a list on the Rosario Central article, perhaps because he wasn't able to found something to make the club appear as important as Newell's is, with all the mentions on the article. People is not even a part of the club. They're not officialy part, so it doesn't mind. That's the difference between RC and NOB. RC people enjoy going to the stadium, partying, singing, while NOB people likes to win, and only to win. And that's what makes a club important: the championships, the major achievements, the important players, the history of big wins. Not just a crowd jumping on a tribune. I put a list of supporters of NOB only because that idiot person that made the RC one perhaps thought that NOB doesn't have important people. But the truth is that NOB has more important people, in quantity and quality. And if you don't believe they are supporters, again I say, please let me know and I'll send you the sources.

Do not delete without asking.

Dear anonymous
I'm sorry to disappoint you (again) but I'm not a Central's fan. I'm just trying to keep this NPOV. Had you checked the History of that article you would have seen that.
I'm glad you count the 6th championship as a championship by itself, but that doesn't make it real. Let's not forget this is an Encyclopedia, not a Hooligans' blog.
I'm also glad to see that you ar an expert in the subject, but if you wrote Newells won the first AFA match in 1939, then it's plain wrong, even if you meant something else.
If you think supporters are not important, then grow up and forget about them.
I'm not having a conversation to an IP anymore. If you wish to make a point in a civilised way, then get a user, and be worried to make things right, not just to make you team look better than that of your rivals.
--Marianocecowski 08:49, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Factual error

LISANDRO DE LA TORRE (PROSER) IS MENTIONED AS NEWELLS OLD BOYS FAN. BUT HE WAS NOT.... IN FACT THE ROSARIO CENTRAL STADIUM IS CALLED LISANDRO DE LA TORRE IN HONOR TO HIM FOR BEING ROSARIO CENTRAL FAN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.41.225.218 (talk • contribs) 11:27, 7 March 2006

I have removed L de la T from the fans list, not because he was an RC fan, but because there's no verifiable source indicating that he was fan of any football team at all. AFAIK the Gigante de Arroyito is called like that because the barrio is called Lisandro de la Torre (though everybody calls it Arroyito). --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 22:33, 7 March 2006 (UTC)