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[edit] Cleanup required

Artists have been added under "List of new jack swing artists", but some of them don't point to the correct artist (example: the link to Finest Hour is an article about an arcade game). Please provide the correct links for these artists. Thanks. | QzDaddy 17:52, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not have a Wikipedia page called Articles for deletion/New Jack Reunion Tour user:Krystal Cooper

[edit] self-referential

This sentence "Swing refers to the rhythmic pattern, which always consists of straight 8ths, 16th note shuffles and 16th note swing patterns." seems circular. If "swing" refers to a rhythmic pattern, one of the elements of that pattern should not be "swing patterns". And how is "shuffle" defined here? or is that a synonym for "swing"? I'm not a musician per se, but my understanding is that "swing patterns" can occur in any note increments, and that "swing" simply notes that the repetition occurs at different time intervals rather than at the same intervals. Is this correct? --csloat 10:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Ahhh... this helps explain it.--csloat 10:18, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis were two years before Teddy Riley, doing the New Jack Swing, with Janet Jackson's Control album (the single Nasty was released in late 1985).

Nasty was released in 1986 a few months before the album. Around the same time, Teddy Riley was part of the group Guy, which was the first of many New Jack Swing groups. Essentially, Riley and Jam/Lewis created similar sounds, but Jam/Lewis were influenced more by their former band(Morris Day and The Time), and Riley was more influenced by hip-hop. The sounds are fairly similar, though. ThePacMan 16:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Plus Teddy used a swing rhythm, and J&L didn't; so "Control" is technically not New Jack Swing Nathan86

[edit] Artist List

I'm removing Aaliyah and Kylie Minogue from this list. Aaliyah's sound has NEVER been classifiable as New Jack Swing. Her album was actually part of R&B's movement away from New Jack Swing. As for Kylie Minogue...she pretty much does only euro/electronic dance-pop. Nothing New Jack about her. I'm also removing Joey Lawrence as that is simply laughable. Whoever added him to the list does not know the definition of "New Jack Swing". ThePacMan 15:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

completely agree....I just removed them myself because some fool went and put them back.
I also have a problem with some of the other artists listed here:
Brandy, Monica, Usher, Xscape - IMO Hip Hop Soul, not NJS (I've removed them)
Soul II Soul, Lisa Stansfield - Not NJS IMO
Oh, and I see someone's added Mariah Carey--- having ONE NJS-styled song ("Someday") does not make you a New Jack Swing artist IMO....... Nathan86

I'm adding Paula Abdul, very similar in style to Janet Jackson

[edit] Blatantly wrong and misleading

There are elements about this article that are just flat out wrong. It 'implies' that Technotronic and Vanilla Ice were somehow involved with NJS (OMG SO WRONG!) and then blatantly states "Most notably: Raphael Saadiq, R. Kelly, TLC, Dallas Austin, Boyz II Men, Sean "Diddy" Combs, Will Smith, LL Cool J, and many others."

Will Smith represents the golden age of hip hop and LL Cool J? Come on! LL did not become known for NJS. He was an early pioneer! Underground? Yes. Socially conscious rap? Yes. Hardcore rap? Yes. Battle Rap? Yes. 20 years is a long time and a lot of styles... But New Jack? Give me a break. Someone really needs to clean up this article. It's like someone just put a lot of names in here to give it multiple points of index reference. Santavez 15:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Soul II Soul "Keep On Movin'" / Suzanne Vega "Tom's Diner"??

No mention of the greatest New Jack beat of all time. 76.20.135.33 01:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)chewbaccawasawoman

[edit] In The Closet

In no michael jackson`s song remember the time is more successful than "In the Closet" but shoudn`t "In The Closet be included as a significant song? It is usually credited as being the best song off the Dangerous album. Realist2 22:14, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paragraphs are more appropriate in an encyclopedia than bulleted lists

Hi, I am the editor who changed the list to a paragraph. Encycledias do not usually have bulleted lists of songs or albums, except perhaps if there was a short list of the "most influential" albums according to an influential music reviewer or music historian. Encyclopedias use written paragraphs of text. There are other problems with the bullet list, too. It makes it too easy for people to add their favorite band or song, even if the song only hit number 391 on the US charts, or didn't even chart. Having text also has advantages. It encourages other editors to "flesh out" the content with other facts. Bulleted lists are not interesting to read. Thanks for your comment.Nazamo (talk) 14:41, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, another problem with the bulleted list, is that the list is just made up from posts by editors. That is fine for an Internet chat page called "New Jack Swing fans favorite songs", but WIkipedia is an encyclopedia. Since to my knowledge, there isn't an official list of the most important NJS songs (in Brittanica or the Rolling Stone encyclopedia), wikipedia editors like us have to make the list of songs. You can't invent new theories or ideas on WIkipedia (it's called Original Research). So we have to try and justify the inclusion of each song, using at least 2 criteria: 1) showing that the song is a NJS song 2) showing that the song is notable. For number 1), I am trying to show links to important NJS people such as Riley. For number 2), I am using top 10 status.Nazamo (talk) 14:54, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Nazamo (talk) 14:55, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, here is an example from the new paragraph form which shows the benefits of using prose, rather than bullets. If this information was in bullets, we would just have 3 bullets informing us that Bell Biv Devoe, Johnny Gill, and Ralph Tresvant had hits in 1990, and giving us the song name and the chart ranking....BUT, you wouldn't know an important piece of information...that all these 3 are splinter groups from the band New Edition, a band which helped to establish the NJS sound.

Here is the excerpt from the article: After the band New Edition broke up, its former members formed several splinter groups or acts, including Bell Biv Devoe, Johnny Gill, Ralph Tresvant, and Bobby Brown. In 1990, several ex-New Edition members had hit songs. Bell Biv Devoe's song "Poison" and Johnny Gill's single "Rub You the Right Way" both made it to number 3 in the US top 100. Ralph Tresvant had a number 4 hit (US top 100 charts) and number 1 hit (US R&B) with his song "Sensitivity".Nazamo (talk) 18:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)