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Changed "...assisting in the so-called the War on Terrorism..." to "assisting in what was called the War on Terrorism", deleting "so-called" which has a sarcastic tone to something non-judgemental. No matter what one's opinion this is an encyclopedia not a platform. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.66.144 (talk • contribs)

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[edit] 500:1

I can't find that "500:1" statistic anywhere. It has been repeated elswhere but all the references lead to here, i think it should be removed to stop the spread of incorrect informationPaige Master 12:22, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The '500:1' stat is a stat from the Australian SASR in Vietnam. Seeing as the NZ SAS was attached to the SASR at the time you could probably use it, but I'm not sure if it refered to NZ operations as well. The talk page for the Aussie SASR has the reference's if you want to include it.Ebglider91 05:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

The statistic is not correct. According to the citation in Australian Special Air Service Regiment the Australian and NZ in Vietnam killed between 492 and 598 Communist troops and suffered two deaths from enemy action. Still very, very impressive, but not 500:1. --Nick Dowling 08:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

i think NZSAS operators at an NZDF open day picture should be changed as it dosn , t represent the NzSAS role it just shows a couple of guys riding a Farm Vehicle in Dpm's

Also in New Zealand its is n t referrd to as the War on Terrisom is refered to as the so called war on terrisom or the US war on terrisom as NZ dose not reconise the war BraverHeart 08:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BraverHeart (talk • contribs) 20:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

That photo is the least impressive military photo I have ever seen. --Helenalex 04:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Is that photo for real? What an embarassment for the NZSAS. Ajayvius 10:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

As there seems to be a debate over the suitability of the image I've taken it out of the article and placed it here. I contacted the person who uploaded it and they state that it's genuine. However, it may not be representative - though I've got nothing against photos which depict the military in non-glamorous ways.
NZSAS operators at an NZDF open day
NZSAS operators at an NZDF open day
--Nick Dowling 11:00, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Nzarmy.gif

Image:Nzarmy.gif is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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[edit] title

The title of the service is New Zealand Special Air Service, thus NZSAS, and this should be the title of the page. Mesoso2 21:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree, and the NZ Army website supports this: http://www.army.mil.nz/our-army/nzsas/default.htm The page could also be titled New Zealand Special Air Service Group. --Nick Dowling 10:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Should become New Zealand Special Air Service. If we change the page title to NZ SAS Group, in whatever abbreviation, the Army, following Murphy's law, will immediately redesignate the the NZ SAS as a regiment or a battalion or a task force or something. Buckshot06 23:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:New Zealand SAS during the Malayan Emergency.jpg

Image:New Zealand SAS during the Malayan Emergency.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot 02:30, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

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[edit] 'Victoria Cross' section

Might I suggest that the 'Victoria Cross' section be shortened, as it is the largest sub-section in the article yet focuses on the actions of Cpl. Apiata, which are better and more relevantly covered in the article 'Bill Apiata'. This could be achieved by removing the following text:

New Zealand's Prime Minister, Helen Clark, said: "Corporal Apiata carried a severely wounded fellow soldier across ... broken, rocky and fire-swept ground, fully exposed in the glare of battle to heavy opposing fire, and into the face of returning fire from the main New Zealand troop position.” The citation said: "The troop could now concentrate entirely on prevailing in the battle itself. After an engagement lasting approximately twenty minutes, the assault was broken up and the numerically superior attackers were routed with significant casualties, with the Troop in pursuit."

O.Duke (talk) 00:20, 1 February 2008 (UTC)