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It's good to see a few people making changes to the Page. I'm currently a Cadet Under Officer at No. 1 Squadron, and atarted this page (and the New Zealand Cadet Forces page). If you make additions to the page, I'll likely view them to see if they fit in. Of course, I'm not the wealth of all knowledge, so if I'm worng then let me know. - Liberator

1 Good job!
2 Helping Out
3 New Rank Claim
4 Identification of Editors
- 4.1 List of Editors
5 LAC Rank slide error
6 Hijack of Cadet Page
7 Questionable use of the term "Supplementary Instructor"
8 Fair use rationale for Image:FLGOFF.GIF
9 Fair use rationale for Image:FLTLT.GIF
10 Fair use rationale for Image:FemaleShortSleeve.gif
11 Fair use rationale for Image:SQNLDR.GIF
12 Fair use rationale for Image:LACdt.GIF
13 Fair use rationale for Image:NZ DPM (s95).gif
14 Fair use rationale for Image:NZCF MEDAL.jpeg
15 Fair use rationale for Image:NZCF REV.jpeg
16 Fair use rationale for Image:PLTOFF.GIF
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[edit] Good job!

I think you've done a really good job. I've always wondered why NZ ATC didnt have a page, and now it does. Keep it up. (I'm from 48th Squadron, in case you're wondering...)

[edit] Helping Out

I'm planning to help make this page better sometime this year. I'm planning on joining ATC this year (planning on joining No.30 Squadron). It's good to see that there are other active updaters of this page.

-*- Liberator, just so you know, I am a NZCF PLTOFF in the UK and will help out where poss... I have uploaded the old NZ ATC logo on the main page. I will see if i can get a pdf of the uniforms from 41 SQN. Rollcage06 12:52, 26 November 2007

[edit] New Rank Claim

The page as at now (23 March 2006 2:48pm NZST) makes a claim of a rank between Under Officer and Pilot Officer. To the best of my knowledge (Being an Under Officer transitioning to Pilot Officer) there is no such rank, with the possible exception of 'Officer Cadet' which is held for the duration of the commissioning course. Until someone can provide some basis for this claim, I will revert the page to the previous version. Liberator 02:50, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Identification of Editors

If you edit this article, it would be nice if you add yourself to the list below giving your username, and affiliation with NZCF (if any).

If you've left a unit, a simple ex- before your affiliation would be appreciated.

This way, we know the background and knowledge of those editing the article.

Regards, Liberator 10:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Editors

Liberator, PLTOFF, NZCF at 1 (City of Wellington) Squadron, ATC
IR_Moon, A/PLTOFF in (March 2007) and webmaster for No. 13 (City of Napier) Squadron, ATC. Ex-CDT 75 (Arawa) Squadron, ATC (Rotorua), Ex-CDT 2 (Hutt City) Squadron, ATC
Snaylman,CDT F/S at 27 (Blenheim) Squadron, ATC
Rollcage06,PLTOFF at 48 (Stratford) Squadron, ATC (currently in UK)--Rollcage06 (talk) 13:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LAC Rank slide error

I could be wrong, but the rank slide that has been shown on this page to be that of LAC is not correct to the best of my knowledge. The LAC rank is based on the RNZAF rank, the slide for which features a twin-bladed propellor as per http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/corporate/badges-of-rank/default.htm

Now that we've established this fact, when are you going to upload that fancy shmancy LAC rankslide you made, Liberator? --IR Moon 04:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

That will be forthcoming, once I work out where I left the images. Either that, or I'll crank out MS paint and try again. Liberator 05:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Liberator, I have added a GIF of the LAC rankslide which i created in paint using RNZAF & ATC rankslides as a base and have used this to show my cadets in the UK. Rollcage06 12:46, 26 November 2007

[edit] Hijack of Cadet Page

Added NZCF, ATC, NZCC and SCC to the entry for Cadet. If it it's good enough for the UK, US and Oz, it's good enough for us --IR Moon 04:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Questionable use of the term "Supplementary Instructor"

To the best of my knowledge there is a distinct difference between Supplementary Staff and Civilian Instructor and the term "Supplementary Instructor" used on this page seems to me to an inaccurate merging of the two.

A suppstaff member is someone who fills a role within the unit such as stores officer, adj or similar and has been NZCF7 (staff security) cleared. They might fill the role of an instructor but they are infact part of the unit staff. This may be someone who has applied to gain a commission or simply a member of the public willing to give up their time to the unit, but does not seek a Cadet Force commission.

A civilian instructor is someone from outside of the unit that comes in to fulfil a training requirement. This may include guest speakers, aviation nuts, first aid instructors, Mountain Safety Council members etc. They are not a part of the unit and are not necessarily NZCF7 cleared.

I'm prepared to be proven wrong but I've never heard of a Supplementary Instructor before. --IR Moon 05:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

This was once 'Civilian Instructor' because I remember putting it there. At the time, I wasn't aware of the term 'Supplementary Staff', and was falling back on some international knowledge (Canadians use CIs in place of our SS). Unless anyone has any better ideas, I think it should be 'Supplementary Staff', as in those being NZCF7 cleared. Of course, having never been NZCF7 cleared, I don't know much about it. Liberator 05:33, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Having been there and done that for around a year and a half I can tell you (first hand like) that SupStaff is the correct term :D

--IR Moon 02:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

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