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[edit] Birth countries

There is a question on the main page of what to list for birth countries. Ccwaters believes it should be whatever the country was called at time of birth (ie: USSR), and states that the NHL media guide lists them thusly. I don't have a copy of the media guide(s), but nhl.com and nhlpa.com, as well as the NYrangers.com official website lists current country names (ie: Russia, Lithuania, etc.). A random selection of 5 other official team websites also lists current country names, not deprecated ones. For the Olympics, the Czech republic and Slovakia (formerly Czechoslovakia) have different teams, as do some former Soviet republics, so I would think current names would be more useful. Just wondering what others think in the matter. *shrug* --jsum 18:34, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hall of famers

Shouldn't Wayne Gretzky be in Hall of Famers section ? He stands in the Hall of Fame, isn't he ? Lvr 11:23, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps, but Gretzky spent only three of his 20 seasons with the Rangers. Also, he's in the Hall as an Oiler.

The classy way Gretzky carried and spoke of himself as a Ranger earns him the right to be on that page. --jsum 23:55, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

"Class" has nothing to do with it. The criteria for citation as a HOFer on the team pages has to do with whether, over the course of several seasons, a HOFer was a major impact player for his club. Having led the Rangers in scoring each season he played for them and winning a major trophy one year, it's tough to argue otherwise. RGTraynor 08:00, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
We'll have to agree to disagree. If Gretz had come over and pulled what Jagr did elsewhere ie: "I'm dying over here (on a bad team)", I'm not sure that Rangers fans would want to remember him as a Ranger, regardless of scoring. --jsum 20:47, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I hope you can agree, however, that whether a player was popular or not in any given city doesn't have a lot to do with whether he was a genuine impact player for the club; if that was the case, a great many more goons would be Hall of Famers. Regardless as to whether Ranger fans like Jagr, he is near-certain to become a Hall of Famer, and if he puts in a few more starring seasons for the Rangers, he'll qualify for listing here. RGTraynor 21:28, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
agree with above except for the goons being HoFers - that would qualify them for "not to be forgotten" lists, though ;) --jsum 18:18, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

I just removed Lafleur from the list. He was already inducted into the Hall of Fame when he became a Ranger and only played here one season. Also, as per the WikiProject Ice Hockey/Team pages format page, Hall of Famer players must have played several seasons for the team in question, and those seasons have a material impact on their selection as Hall of Famers. Because Guy was inducted in 1988, before he came out of retirement, his time with the Rangers had zero impact on his selection. Yankees76 22:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of New York Rangers players

I have started a List of New York Rangers players to compliment the one in the categories section. So when you add new players the the New York Rangers main article, could you also add the same players to the list of Rangers players? Thanks! Masterhatch 8 August 2005

I think I've added all the Rangers on the current roster. --jsum 19:17, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Experimental Change

I experimented by dividing the long lists of players in half. If it is liked by all, I will spread that to the other 5 teams with long lists. Masterhatch 15:15, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Looks great to me.  RasputinAXP  talk * contribs 15:21, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Sure. I think it will look better once the new squads/rosters are out. That big whitespace won't be there. ccwaters 15:23, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
I have now gone and spread it to all the original six teams. The reason I did it was, as Ccwaters mentioned, the new current rosters are going to be spread around and I thought it would look strange to have a lot of white "nothing" under the nice table. I have not, and probably will not, spread it to the other teams as generally their lists aren't too long and don't really need to be divided in half as such. Masterhatch 16:20, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rangers captain?

Hey RGTraynor, have your heard wether or not the Rangers will be nameing a new captain soon? Or are the Rangers gonna stay with 3 alternate captains (Jagr ,Kasparaitis & Rucchin).

Similarly as with the Devils, and as with there, for the purposes of Wikipedia, it hasn't happened 'til it's happened, so we might as well be patient. RGTraynor 17:29, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Just a nitpick, should the Captainless Rangers, have their alternate captains (Jagr, Kasparaitis & Rucchin), on the Captains List? The Devils & Bruins don't have theirs, (they just have "no captain"). GoodDay 21:59, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I think it's OK to keep them on there, since any of the three could be a captain for us. Also, they will likely finish the season without a captain anyway. It would be more difficult if letters were rotated among more than just 3 players... --jsum 19:16, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
The NHL's practice when a team fails to name a captain is to put "No captain" down in the record, which is how the Rangers will be listed if they fail to name an official captain before season's end. Groups of alternate captains are not listed. RGTraynor 00:15, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thanks for the good word - didn't know that. It's too bad not to give them some place in history's lists... --jsum 00:59, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
An alternate captains list (for every Nhl team article), interesting. I'd suppose such a list, would take longer to create (at least twice as many player names, compared to captains list), and more difficult to backup (Nhl websites don't list their Past & Current alternate captains). Whom ever can create such a list, has my support & admiration. GoodDay 17:50, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Does anyone know how ESPN, came up with the story (Oct 3,2005), that the Rangers had named Darius Kasparaitis as captain (which proved, not to be the case)? GoodDay 16:21, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Matteau! and Howie Rose

Seriously, folks, it was Howie Rose. See? Leave it be now.  RasputinAXP  talk contribs 04:37, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Missing 30 seasons!

There's nothing there after 1975-76. Is the editor not done working on it or something? Doogie2K 07:06, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

It's a long haul and there's a lot of work involved. Feel free to finish it yourself; that's the point of Wikipedia, after all! RGTraynor 13:30, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Possible addition: cap info

Does anyone have accurate cap info for the rangers i was gunna add it then realized i dont know where to find the info. If anyone has this it would be a good addition just to put the total cap amount (39 mil) and the total rangers cap number. This could be added to all the team pages if anyone finds it Caleb rosenberg

List of Rangers salaries from tsn.ca John5008 | talk to me 04:47, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Correction made

Changed the '94 Game 7 NYR-NJ tying goal to Valeri Zelepukin--it had been listed as Claude Lemieux. VZ is listed as the scorer in the official book of the '94 playoffs and my tape of the game confirms.

[edit] Long Article

This article is a little long, I want to create two new articles called History of the New York Rangers and Notable Players of the New York Rangers. Then I'm going to leave a little comment in each section with a see main article note. For instance if you look at the Water Polo page for an example of what I am planning on doing. This will allow the history and notable players sections to grow a bit without congesting the main page. Outside Center 17:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Also move the Season-by-season record to a seperate article Outside Center 17:10, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Just expand the history section, leave the player and record stuff intact. Thanks. ccwaters 17:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm late chiming in on this. Way late, actually. But I think it needs to be said ... cutting the whole darn history out and putting it elsewhere seems too extreme. Look at the precedent set by FA sports team articles such as the New England Patriots and the Chicago Bears. While they do indeed have separate articles which go into a more rich and detailed recounting of team history, they also don't have just a single paragraph on the team before diving right into the statistical and roster aspects of the team's page.

I'd like to see some sort of happy medium here between moving the whole team history, and having it all here. Resident Lune 14:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I think a lot of the history should be moved back to the team page beacuse there are not such strict restrictions on length anymore, and most other team pages in all sports have their whole history on the main page. Bmitchelf 20:10, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Country Flags

So you're gonna change Darius Kasparaitis to something different from his player page, and meanwhile leave Sandis Ozolinsh as Latvia when he was born in the U.S.S.R.? They were not born in Russia so why should they have the Russian flag next to their names? Bmitchelf 20:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Kasparitis played for Team Russia, that's why. Nationality/allegiance is not always based on birthplace. (For example, Steve Nash was born in South Africa to British parents but is considered a Canadian.) -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 02:25, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
He just "chose" to play for Russia. His nationality was originally U.S.S.R., but should now be Lithuania based on birthplace. Technically, his nationality could be American, too, because he is a naturalized citizen. Thanks for the answer, but I'm really looking for a response from ccwaters here. Also, the Steve Nash example would mean Kasparaitis is an American now, not a Russian. Bmitchelf 03:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually, ccwaters contacted me about this too. It's just that "nationality" on these NHL articles is usually based on international play. That's what I'm basing it on, since it seems to make sense the most (and is not as messy). Because Alex Mogilny would fall in that category too (Russian but has US citizenship). My general rule is go by the most recent intl. team the player has played for. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 03:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Bmitchelf: there is a difference between a state and nation. We note the state in "Places of Birth" and in the bylines of individual articles. We use the political state that existed at the time of birth, that is why everyone is "U.S.S.R." or "Czechoslovakia" and will be for a few more draft classes. Those are recognizable and agreed upon political entities ( http://www.un.org/Overview/growth.htm ). We use flags to represent nationality. Nations, however, are a subjective matter. They represent cultural identity. As noted before, this has been discussed somewhere at WP:HOCKEY (B-H might be able to find it) and it was decided that international competition was the first deciding factor. Ozolinsh plays for Team Latvia. Kasparaitis plays for Team Russia Danius Zubrus plays for Team Lithuania.
Like I said its a subjective matter and we recognized that we needed to agree upon a guideline. You are welcome to disagree with it, but I ask you to look at the situation as whole. Please bring up any further discussion at WP:HOCKEY. ccwaters 13:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Alright, fair enough; it just makes the whole thing kind of confusing for outsiders onlookers, and even those who know hockey. It just doesn't make too much sense. Also, I can't find that discussion, so it would be great to see that, too. Bmitchelf 15:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll try to find it. ccwaters 16:02, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Team pages format#Player nationalities ccwaters 16:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I also keep a list of such players with "abnormal" nationalities here, if you want a quick reference. (The list may be incomplete -- feel free to add to it if you find more players on the same boat.) I know some people already use this list as a reference. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 22:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hall-of-Famers

Are all of these really necessary? Some of them, Guy Lafleur for instance, only played one season with the Rangers and were not really associated with them as such. It just takes away from the accomplishments of the others, in my opinion. Bmitchelf 03:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Bah, I hadn't been paying attention to section creep. Corrections have been made. RGTraynor 15:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Are we adding all hall-of-famers who ever played for the Rangers now? This is, frankly, stupid and unnecessary. People who played one year for the team do not really qualify as their hall-of-famers. bmitchelf•T•F 21:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

There's a growing consensus at WPT, to include ALL HHoF members on NHL team pages (no matter how many games). GoodDay 21:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I've sub-divided the HHOF section, into 'Players' and 'Builders'. I wasn't sure if Lynn Patrick was inducted as a player, coach or both so I put his name in both sub-sections. PS- I've left out Bryan Trottier, he certainly wasn't a HHOF coach. GoodDay 20:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This article, frankly, sucks.

A section on "infamous" trades (what, the Rangers never made a good deal?)? A so-called "history" section that, as does the trades section, completely ignores the first seventy years of Rangers' history? This is garbage; the Rangers deserve better than this. Anyone want to volunteer before I do? RGTraynor 07:02, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe the trades section was added very recently and shouldn't be there. The history was moved into its own article to cut down on size for this one, but frankly, all of the other hockey teams are oversize and have their team history on the page. It should be restored to this page, too. bmitchelf•T•F 08:04, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
So do you want to add all of the history back to the main article, such as the Detroit Red Wings article, which is approaching 60 KB? Nobody seems to care over there. bmitchelf•T•F 04:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Not necessarily. An outline of history in the main article is still useful, but it needs to be an outline of the eighty year history of the franchise ... not the moral equivalent of "So, dude, the Rangers won the Cup in 1994, and, oh, yeah, there was a team before that." Where's Charlie Rayner? Ching Johnson? The GAG line? "Boys, help an old man out here?" Boucher and the Cooks? Heck, the mere notion that the 1994 Cup win was the "most famous" of the lot is pretty farcical. RGTraynor 16:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
There; I've edited down the History of the Rangers article to put that in as a placeholder, but the main history article sure needs some work. RGTraynor 17:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
We need a jersey section for this article, most other teams do. Payne2thamax

[edit] Other

Vandalism of the 1st praragraph has occurred. Nyrmetros 05:18, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

and I fixed it. fethers 17:56, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
fethers, you caused New York Rangers victory song article to redirect here, which is fine, but there's no mention of it anywhere in this article. Dkatzism 18:15, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
  • it certainly does need a mention here. Nyrmetros 04:03, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bobby Hull

I know the restrictions have been lifted, concering who should be listed in the HHOF section. Having recognized this, Bobby Hull didn't play a regular season or playoff game for the Rangers (just a exhibition tournament). Isn't adding Hull, going a little too far? If Manon Rheaume was to be inducted into the HHOF (as a player), would she be listed in the Lightning's HHOF section? GoodDay 18:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Hull never played an official game for the Rangers (whatever the alleged exhibition game may have been), nor did Rheaume ever play an official game for the Lightning. RGTraynor 19:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm in agreement. Bobby Hull? A New York Ranger HOF? GoodDay 19:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Mind you, with his old pals Hedberg and Nilsson in Rangers' uniforms, and either after the WHA folded (with him being a free agent) or after his retirement in 1980, I could see him doing a few turns on the ice as a publicity stunt. Doesn't make Hull a Ranger, of course. RGTraynor 20:01, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Removed 'Bobby Hull' again. Hull never played a regular season OR playoff game, for the Rangers. This is getting annoying. GoodDay 00:01, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I've (again) called for the HHOF sections to be abolished. It simply invites PoVs. The addition of 'Bobby Hull' who played 4 non-NHL games with the Rangers, was the last straw. Seeing as my new motion at Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Ice Hockey/Team pages format will likely be defeated, from here on absolutely anyone can be listed. Let the floodgates open (Gretzky -Coyotes HHOF builder, Trottier -Rangers HHOF builder, Bobby Hull -Rangers HHOF player). I've had it with these out-of-wack HHOF sections (which I've blindly created). GoodDay 01:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't really have time to get into the WikiProject argument, but it should really be like it used to be, where people had to have made a significant contribution to that team, even though that is POV in itself. Or we could just whittle it down to one team for each person, where the most significant contributions were made, or two if it is too close to tell. bmitchelf•T•F 03:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Owner

I notice in the infobox under "Owner" MSG, LP simply links to Cablevision, so technically shouldn't the owner of the Rangers be the Dolan's? IrisKawling 03:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gretzky Retiremnt

Put up a factual dispute due to the fact that most of the other NHL team pages list the date of league wide retirement as Feb. 6, 2000, whereas here it's listed as April 18, 1999 BT14 06:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Gretzky retired April 18, 1999. However, his #99 was retired (banner raised) on February 6, 2000. Therefore it's Feb 6, 2000. GoodDay 18:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Retired numbers

Should Wayne Gretzky really be listed there? Yes, the NHL retired it league-wide, but the Rangers have not retired it on the team. I believe it should be mentioned on the NHL page, not the Rangers. --David7581 16:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

It's on every teams's page, and yes it should stay. IrisKawling 21:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
It is not on every team's page. 7 teams do not list or mention it. Some teams do have it as it appears on the Rangers' page, but some with the numbers in list format mention it as a note beneath the retired numbers list. I think this would better serve things for the 28 teams that haven't officially retired it themselves. --69.119.12.38 03:43, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Which NHL team pages are you speaking of, that don't list Gretzky. GoodDay 17:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

Wow, I didn't even see the Missing Citations message, but wanted to start adding references; I guess just good timing. I have added them for much of the recent facts, but don't have the books that are referenced to see if those complete the research. I might look at them if I have time/find the books. Any available online references for the older history would be great, though. bmitchelf•T•F 21:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I've also just added a couple for ones that were flagged as needed. However I cannot find one for the Dionne quote, but is it really necessary? IrisKawling 23:20, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Uniform Section

Needs to be added. An original six team should have an entire section devoted to its jerseys; colors and history. Also, the team mascot, or lack thereof, needs to be mentioned. Love each other, or perish. ~Auden 04:30, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bobby Hull (the sequal)

Would anyone be interested in 'omitting' Bobby Hull from this article HHOF section? Afterall, Hull never played a regular season or playoff game for the Rangers. Regular season/Playoffs should be the criteria for inclusion. See List of family relations in the National Hockey League, for the same criteria proposal. GoodDay 20:45, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Sometimes I think you like stirring the pot on decisions that were best left alone. Yes I completely and totally object to omitting him. He played games as a Ranger therefore he stays. --Djsasso 20:57, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
This just isn't my day, see Ireland, Lough Neagh, British Isles. Just not my day, at all. GoodDay 21:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References to new Rangers website

Now that the Rangers website has changed over to the same format as the rest of the NHL addresses (rangers.nhl.com), the references to press releases, news articles, and game notes there do not work. I have tried searching for them on the website, but it does not come up with an article. Be on the lookout for when these articles become available again so we can update the URLs on the references. -- bmitchelf•T•F 22:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2004 OR 2005

When did Messier cease to be Rangers captain? Was it in 2004 before the lockout? OR 2005 when he actually retired (please note, the Rangers didn't strip him of the captaincy). GoodDay (talk) 20:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

According to the Rangers page, he was captain until April 3, 2004. V-train (talk) 20:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've just re-adjusted all the 30 NHL team captain lists, concerning the captains who retired or were traded between the 2003-04 & 2005-06 seasons. Since all the team websites, don't recognize captaincies during the lockout. GoodDay (talk) 21:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)