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[edit] New Year's Kiss

In my area of the US, the New Year's Kiss is a core part of the New Year's Eve traditions, yet no mention of it at all here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kissing_traditions#New_Years_Kiss

[edit] Ecuador... Unique?

Rather than Ecuador, I would say those (Except for the one of the Widow) are, up to my own knowledge (Which thus rather stay mute 'bout the widow thing; it could be osberved among other of my compatriots), not unique to Ecuador as I've observed them as an old well-rooted tradition in Perú and I would say it is so for most if not all South America, or at least the zones between northernmost south America and south America's Paraguay/Uruguay)... Venezuela's entry makes mentions of similiarities to what is practiced in Spain, yet those indicate even stronger simliarities between what is practiced in Venezuela and what is practiced in Peru (Or at least in Lima, Peru and Limeans' in-country destinations, most along the coast)... But I'm no sociologist... Just someone with conflicting first-hand experience and enough common sense to doubt nationalistic BS about any country's uniqueness whatsoever... Thus, I call true experts to add their own part to this... With "0believable" sources Undead Herle King (talk) 07:23, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

For discussion of merger with/to/from New Year's Day, see Talk:New Year's Day

--Mark Adler (Markles) 19:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I disagree. Why should two holidays 364 days apart within a single year get the same page? New Year's Eve is a holiday in its own right. It is a celebration of the culmination of 365/366 days worth of events. New Year's Day is a celebration of a new start, if such a thing exists. One is an ending while the other is a beginning. Christmas Eve is part of Christmas, but New Year;s Eve is not. Bsd987 04:49, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
"Why should two holidays 364 days apart within a single year get the same page?" -- Haha, way to try and make your argument stronger. You didn't consider them being two days following each other? But that wouldn't as strongly have supported you, of course. Anyway, as for the "why", I think it's mostly because New Year's Eve is referenced in the other article both in the subsection and in the article text as well. I wouldn't oppose a merge because both days deal with the celebration of a new year starting -- the other by saying goodbye to the past, and the other saying hello to the new. It's undeniably two events closely related to each other, and not exactly like easter and christmas. -- Jugalator 14:44, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
After looking at the Wikipedia tradition of dividing up articles on days regardless their strong relationships, I guess this one should for that reason be separated. However, I then wish there'd at least to be some sort of visualized strong connection to these New Year, New Year's Eve and New Year's Day. For example by the navigation box showed on the other talk page. -- Jugalator 14:47, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree with the idea. Granted, they are 364/365 days apart, but the holidays are tied because they are one day after the next. That's like suggesting that there shouldn't be an article about the weekend because Saturday is the end of the week and Sunday is the start of the week. It shouldn't be merged with the New Year topic. That has nothing to do with the holiday, but what cultures celebrate their New Year. Rosh Hashanah has nothing to do with New Year's Eve or New Year's Day. The topic name should be changed to something other than just New Year.

I wholly disagree with that notion. The legitimate celebration and holiday within itself falls on the December 31; January 1 witholds no televised broadcast coverage such as 31 December, no celebration is held for 1 January, and the sole purpose why January the first is a federal holiday is due to the fact that all those whom of which celebrated on the 31st of December would be incapable of functioning the following day. New Year's Eve should in no way be merged with that of January 1 --if anything, New Year's Day should be merged with New Year's Eve considering the celebration in itself occurs on the 31st. -- Salluste 13:53, 31 December 2005 (EST)
This would be like merging the April 14th article with the april 15th article! December 29th and January 1st are two completley different days, and new years eve and new years day are two different holidays. So let's keep them that way!

Simply, MP

I strongly disagree with merging the two articles. As others have mentioned, the two articles cover completely different subject matter, and a merge together would do a disservice to both. SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:27, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Everyone else is saying disagree, but I would like to see the two merged. I know that this violates precedent (e.g.: Christmas Eve and Christmas Day), but I would like to see those articles merged as well. It all depends on the policy for such articles in the future, but, based on precedent now, I very weakly disagree. D. Wo. 22:16, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

I also disagree. Most of the celebrating occurs on New Year's Eve. It is a separate event to New Year's Day and the latter article is nothing like the former one. Each contains a link to the other page and tht should be enough. -- Pejhman 14:04, 02 January 2006 (EST)

I strongly disagree. The 2 articles do not need to be merged. They are 2 seperate entities.

To the mindless... Who the hck celeberates a new year eve WITHOUT celebrating a new year day? Make your brain work dIeQews! Its a liminal celebration of what's being left behind and what's coming, that's why it starts on the 31 and finishes on the 1st... Its nothing like merging the article on events that have occured on a 31 with those occuring the 1st; There the parameters that define the range do make a functional distinction between oen day and the next... with New Year celebrations having the last and the first day of the adjacent years as equally important halves of a celebration whose climax is at the 12:00 PM of the 31st and at the 00:00 hrs of the 1st, two horus that are the same with different reckoning... And to MP, check well, between the 29 and the 1st, when the later belongs to January and the former to December... Is the 30th and the 31th... Just too much for a celebration... "Eve" and "day" would just deserve subsection ina merged article... By the way Salluste... Do you really see people saying "oh well, it's 12:01 am of the 1st... I'm overcelebrating!!! I gonna leave now"??? Do you see it? I doubt you do! The celebration lasts until 6:00 am approx (unles you are an early sleeper)!! When you post in here people... Make arguments, not what you do in your potty trainingUndead Herle King (talk) 07:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Other

"Moreover in Berlin, the largest New Year's Eve celebration in all of Europe, is celebrated by more than 1,234,567 people attending the festivities each year." - 1,234,567 looks quite random...

I propose a brief discussion about the origin of celebrating new year's eve in that particular date (the end of gregorian calendar), and about its relation to Christmas —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.148.77.158 (talk) 02:37, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

Nomenclature

As I write this inquiry on December 5, 2006, i wonder-- will my next possible opportunity to celebrate be properly entitled New Year's Eve 2006, or New Year's Eve 2007? I'm inclined to say NYE 2007, because it will take place on the eve of the year 2007, and therefore, the 2007 New Year's Eve (i.e. "The New Year's" possessive, assuming there is collective agreement that every New Year does in fact possess its own “Eve”). Historically speaking, what is correct? For Scholoars of Chronology, is there a common dispute with that of the Public Media in regard to this issue?

My closing inquiry might be equally compelling, and its answer equally elusive as a singular answer to the proposition further above which asks whether the traditional Celebration, occurring annually on the Eve of every New Year (or to be less biased, the celebration occurring annually on every Dec. 31), is it topically identical to that of the beginning of a new year, or is New Year's Eve the same subject matter as New Year's Day?. Dependent upon that answer or not, i ask the reader if it is the passing of this crazy, kookie year of 2006 that we celebrate, or is it the coming of the New? If Auld Lang Syne essentially references "the goold old days", then are we not in fact saying goodbye more than we are hello? Are the Holiday and the Celebration in essence contradictory of one another?
Jsabarese 01:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Big Ben isn't a clock

The article says 'England celebrates the New Year by either waiting for Big Ben, or another clock to strike 00:00:00'. This creates the impression that Big Ben is a clock; it's not it's a bell. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to say 'England celebrates the New Year by either waiting for the chimes of Big Ben, or for a clock to strike 00:00:00.'

12 midnight, or 12 am would probably sound better as it makes it sound less like a digital clock. Anyway 'strike' implies that the clock is indicating the time with bells, which only happens on the hour (or half-hour) meaning it's redundant to indicate the seconds.--Jcvamp 05:20, 18 July 2006 (UTC) big ben is not a clock it is a bell it is in a clock base tower so people think that it is a clock —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.105.124 (talk) 00:30, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Most people in germany who get it wrong actually think that Big Ben is the Tower itself. :) I never heard anyone saying that it's the clock.--210.225.86.130 (talk) 05:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] pov

saying that Sydney is the first major place to see new years eve is a joke. What about cities in New Zealand or other places in the Pacific?--HamedogTalk|@ 10:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

how many of those places have crowds of 1.2 million and 300,000 international visitors? Perhaps the wording could be adjusted to be more precise, but it is hard to deny that Sydney has the first major NYE celebration each year. --144.131.67.249 14:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
See Sydney Bias down below...

[edit] Pagan origins?

What about its pagan origins, such as expelling the old year's evil spirits or demons by loud noise and fire?

Chinese mythology doesn't deserve to be degraded "paganic"..--84.249.253.201 00:38, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weasel words

A large volume of writing for this article concerning sydney has weasel words.

See Sydney bias down below... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.191.233.161 (talk) 02:37, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Sydney Bias

This article has a strong bias towards sydney and needs to be changed. It may be the first major city to see the new year but ist not the only major city to see the new year.

I agree. Some of the Sydney information has been removed. -- tariqabjotu 03:42, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
It's also arguable if Sydney is the first major city to see the new year. It depends on your definition of a major city. I consider Auckland a major city and we saw New Year of two hours ago, before Sydney. Of course the celebrations here are rather poor but that's an issue for a different discussion :-P Nil Einne 02:28, 1 January 2007 (NZDT UTC+13)
Totally correct, Sydney is not the first major city to bring in the New Year, and it's rediculous to place so much emphasis on who is the first, etc. I added a section on Melbourne and explained why the fireworks here don't rival Sydney's, and added a section on other cities in Australia like Brisbane and Perth. If Sydney want to explode 4 million dollars every new year thats fine by me, its not my money, but don't gloat so much about it, some countries are in debt. I recomend that "Sydney New Year's Eve celebrations" get it's own article and provide a summary in this article with a link to the main article. - User:Nick carson(Sorry I'm not logged in)

hey guys, i've nominated it for a POV check as it reads like a tourism board advertisement. I live in Edinburgh, which has a massively famous new years celebration but i wouldnt expect the advertisement sydney seems to get. also, it says there are numerous media sources and cites none of them. dont feel i know enough to edit it without my own bias.... i'm at uni and hence not logged in but i'm ((User:Lukeyboymcr)) . . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.215.149.99 (talk) 14:40, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

hey sory, ive logged in now but dont know how to do all this signing stuff. i'm going to re-arrange the countries into alphabetical order, as new zealand being first seems a simple attempt to try to outdo australia. also suggestion removing all the detail of sydneys celebration from the australia description, giving a general overview of the country and a link to a more detailed article. could be the standard way with other

countries and cities too. Lukeyboymcr —Preceding comment was added at 14:45, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

seems as someone keeps removing my POV checks, i think also someone changed the sydney bit to be less biased and it has been changed back. anyway, to bring it into line with other countries i am removing sydney and melbourne. if anyone wants to make them seperate articles and link to them from the australia description that would fit with the standardisation. lukeyboymcr —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.81.255.254 (talk) 21:46, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

ey im signed in now. tht previous comment was me !touch of light, please don't revert as its clearly pov. it should be similar tot he rest of the countries, and if it deserves that much merit should have another article like australian new years celebration. not showing massive bias in the context of new years internationallyLukeyboymcr

[edit] Canada

I'm sorry to butt in and say so but the section near the beginning on new year's eve in Canada is just innaccurate, plain and simple. I live in Montreal and nothing that is mentioned there is remotely close to anything anyone I've ever met traditionally does on New Year's eve in this city except the part about drinking. a "typical" NYE would be drinking with friends at a party, or maybe a family party, but usually (people 18-25 at least) celebrate by throwing house parties and getting hammered... and that's not just me it's pretty much the whole city.

I've modified that, mentioning that Canadian celebrations are highly influenced by their American counterparts in major metropolitan areas and such ViperSnake151 16:22, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I have a question

When we use expressions like "New Years Eve 2001" do we mean Dec 31st 2000 or Dec 31st 2001? It seems like an ambigious term. Are we saying it is the eve of 2001 (i.e. Dec 31st 2000) or are we saying that it's 2001 now and it's New Year's Eve (i.e Dec 31st 2001)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.158.253.8 (talk) 23:39, 24 January 2007 (UTC). howmuch dose the firework display cost —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.105.124 (talk) 00:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Very Important

New Years Eve Is My Birthday!!!!! --72.220.167.138 01:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC) ==Very Important== MEXICO IS INCORRECT!

[edit] MEXICO ENTRY FOR NEW YEARS IS INCORRECT.

THEY DO NOT EAT GRAPES IN MEXICO. THAT IS A CUBAN TRADITION. NOT ONE DONE IN MEXICO. PLEASE GET IT CORRECTED. CUBANS AND MEXICANS ARE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT CULTURE WITH DIFFERENT TRADITIONS, FOODS, ACCENTS LANGUAGE AND HERITAGE. PLEASE CORRECT THAT ENTRY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.181.195.8 (talk) 14:36, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inappropriate links removed

I took out the entire external links section as it appeared to me to be nothing but spam. Here is the list:

Any objections? __meco (talk) 09:57, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion

"In South Korea, a huge bell at Jongro is traditionally rung by the mayor of Seoul and other political figures at the stroke of midnight. Koreans eat Ddukgug (떡국) which is a soup containing rice cakes (떡). "

Can you please also add to the list of links the Jewish new year? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosh_Hashanah) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.239.4 (talk) 04:04, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism?

Surely this line is "inappropriate"?

"In Lebanon, people celebrate the New Year's Eve by the use of firearms, in an inappropriate manner"

is this actual vandalism, or just a poor choice of words?Warchef (talk) 17:44, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

yes - i wondered about this when I read it - I got the impression that gunshots are used in Lebanon to celebrate but, in keeping with the entries for other countries, I believe that 'firearms' has perhaps been used incorrectly in place of 'fireworks'. Please correct me if I'm wrong however. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.251.234.155 (talk) 21:56, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sydney

I have just seen the Sydney bias section above. I am considering, to prevent this happening again, and to have a more detailed piece about Sydney, creating an article for Sydney's NYE celebrations. Any ideas what to name it? -- Whiteandnerdy111 (talk) 20:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)