Talk:New Wave of American Heavy Metal

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Contents 1 added 2 Metalcore...? 3 I'm Confused 4 Clarity for the confused

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Agony Scene. Multiple reviews label them as NWAHM, I have included the links on their personal page.Lokri (talk) 02:34, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Metalcore...?

On the Metalcore page it says Metalcore influenced NWOAHM.

On this page it says that Metalcore derived from NWOAHM

Also it says NWOAHM started in the mid '90s.

Could someone fix this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61x62x61 (talk • contribs) 17:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. Metalcore is older than NWOAHM.--  LYKANTROP  19:44, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I'm Confused

regarding the list of bands that supposedly make up NWOAHM... For the most part, these bands really have nothing in common. Come on, comparing the legendary Pantera to mediocre wannabes like Avenged Sevenfold and Trivium? I think your so-called NWOAHM is nothing more than a list of metal bands that are relatively popular today. If I'm wrong about this, then please correct me, but I don't see why this article really even needs to exist. 68.217.38.21 (talk) 14:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it is a list of bands that bring today's metal into new directions (and also mainstream), (as NWOBHM did in late 70s and early 80s) + the history of how it happened. I am not the one who says that Pantera (among others) started this movement, in which is Trivium now one of the most notable bands. I am just reporting what sources say. It needs to exist because it is notable.

You said "I think your so-called NWOAHM is nothing more than a list of metal bands that are relatively popular today." At first it is not mine NWOAHM (you can expand it). And I really do not know how to help you if you don't like the NWOAHM. Lots of people don't like it. Lots of people don't like lots of things. But wikipedia wants to be neutral.--  LYKANTROP  18:36, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I think it does need to exist but you're right, some bands shouldn't be on there. Some of them are just American Metal bands that started in the 90's on up but a lot of them do sound alike and don't fit well into any other genre and it's good that there's an article about this. -Snook666 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snook666 (talk • contribs) 03:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clarity for the confused

NWOAHM is an umbrella term for the extreme metal movement that happened in the states, that originally was influenced by the NWOBHM. In other words:

The New Wave of British Heavy Metal (Speed Metal meets Punk) inspired a movement in the states which was more dark (Thrash Metal). Thrash Metal is the father of most extreme styles of metal (except Doom, which is older than all of them) But, I digress, American Thrash Metal gave birth to several subgenres, and influenced the formation of others, including: Black Metal, Death Metal, Metalcore, Post Thrash/Groove Metal and several others. Had it not been for the NWOAHM, extreme metal as we know it wouldn't exist today, as it took inspiration from the original "extreme" style of metal, the New Wave of British Heavy Metal bands. Thrash had its beginnings in the early 80's, thats right around when this "Extreme" Metal phase began, experimentation with noise, chromatics, beat syncopations, el diabolus en musica, wolf notes, basically anything that sounded scary, angry, or creepy, off the wall, crazy, unorthodox, etc was emphasized with this period of music, and its still going on today. If you noticed: In 1982, you basically had 2 camps to choose from in the USA. Thrash or Glam. But later on, throughout the next few years expanding onto the next 2 decades, several several several Heavy Metal subgenres came out. And the more that came out, the darker, heavier, and was beginning to shape heavy metal into a darker shade of black, if I'm making sense. In 1982 you didn't have "Death Metal" - but by 1988 if you hadn't heard of it you weren't "in the know" in heavy metal inner circles. It was a big movement in the states and had it not happened, had not thrash metal inspired these other extreme bands in such a quick period of time, heavy metal wouldn't be the same. Sure, Metalcore gets lumped in there, but it's not the only genre associated with this movement. Its an umbrella term meaning the entire movement (which is still going on to this day). It just back in the day was used as a joke term between some thrash metal bands but eventually got adopted by Metalcore bands who decided to wear it as their banner. But it spreads out further than that. Its the whole movement. Its several genres that spawned from mostly Thrash. DarrelClemmons (talk) 09:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Not according to Lyknatrop. This is ridiculous. You're supporting him and yet you don't see that he's saying something different than you. None of his sources say anything about thrash metal or metal earlier than the 90's. Mostly metalcore. Lyknatrop isn't even trying to say that thrash metal bands or bands in the 80's were NWOAHM. As far as he's concerned NWOAHM is from the mid 90's onward. So idk why you're supporting him. And no sources support what you're saying, either. There's only a handful of real critics who even talk about NWOAHM like it's real and as far as those few people are concerned what you're saying is wrong and NWOAHM is basically just metalcore bands and bands from the mid 90's onward. Which is crap. Actually what you're saying is more accurate than Lyknatrop, though stil wrong, however the sources don't support anything you're saying but they DO support Lyknatrop, though it's only a few sources and they're total crap. Blizzard Beast ^$ODIN$ 19:38, 9 June 2008 (UTC)