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Just moved this into article space from my user space -- Infrogmation 13:50, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Re: Krewe de Vieux as "marker" starting season.

I sort of question using Krewe de Vieux as some sort of marker that starts the season. (I've never been to it - isn't it a walking parade?) I have always thought the first "marker" is the Saturday parades (Pontchartrain, Shangri-La, etc.) that parade uptown. Just an opinion. rrrich7 03:20, 10 Jan 2004


Krewe du Vieux is traditionally the first parade.

The 1st parade every year and for the past 30 or so years I've lived in NOLA has been the Phunny Phorty Phellows as they parade on 12th night to open the carnival season. L0b0t 12:27, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Commercial links

Okay so what's going on with the New Orleans Mardi Gras contribution? It seems to be a bit "clickish" very much resembling the Mardi Gras click sites around the web.

We did everything by the book referring to the talk page which had NO, ZERO, NADA info concerning contributions that had been made, plans for the future or anything, period. We made a very legitimate contribution that was deleted without any explanation or discussion as ya'll like to call it here on Wikipedia. I also noticed that nola.com's link was removed, and if anyone has claims to promoting Mardi Gras in this city , it should be them. Further more half of the people making contributions to this section don't even live in this city but are only doing so to further promote their weak at best sites.

Admin wherever you may be, I implore you to get a grasp of this section of Wikipedia as it seems there is a bit of dictatorship going on which in essence is killing the whole spirit of what Wikipedia should be. I understand ya'll all have a great interest in Mardi Gras whether it is finical or other wise but to blantly try to push out new sites who have ligament contributions just sums up the clickish cut throat nature of some in the Mardi Gras industry.

It is mighty funny that the "Mardi Gras" contribution has massive amounts of discussion pertaing to contributions on it's talk page but "Mardi Gras New Orleans" had none. I bet that was deleted too? So let me be the first to open the discussion on whether the following is acceptable to this contribution or not.

Ceramic Mardi Gras Mask Ceramic Mardi Gras Masks are unique and original pieces of art work from New Orleans. The Fancy Ceramic Mardi Gras Masks are usually poured, sculpted, and handpainted by many native artists in New Orleans, Louisiana. Ceramic Mardi Gras masks are usually designed to be displayed as decorations and are not generally worn as face mask. They are almost as old as Mardi Gras itself and although not part of a costume, they have been handed out at balls and some of the earlier works signed "Sally New Orleans" are some of the most sought after collectibles on the web.

Of course this will be cleaned up to contain links to other Wikipedia reference contributions but I think you should get the picture of the direction we are trying to go with this contribution, which was so blantly deleted.

I wonder if the user who deleted nola.com's contribution got a message from the admin as well? I somehow doubt it.

We also made a contribution for "Mardi Gras 2007" which was original and not yet contributed in any way, which contained links to the "Mardi Gras New Orleans" contributions and this was deleted as well. The click has been busy. So ADMIN wherever you may be and correct me if I am wrong but I think one of the contributors to this section has found their way into the admin area, although a conflict of interest, please keep an open mind when reading our comments but this has been an ongoing problem with the Mardi Gras "click" for some time. It is mighty funny that we made another contributions to an unrelated Mardi Gras item and it has not been deleted, bumped, etc, etc. Hmmmm...why does it have to be so conserveral when it comes to Mardi Gras. I can only suspect that the "MG click" has had a hand in it.

This is exactly the sort of thing that gives New Orleans Mardi Gras a bad name.

Les Bon Temps Roulez!--Nolaimports 04:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)Nolaimports

As has been explained on your user talk page at User talk:Nolaimports, using Wikipedia to promote a commerical business is contrary to Wikipedia policies. So you certainly were not doing things "by the book"; every edit of yours promoting your business (which was every article edit of yours I've seen) has been in violation of Wikipedia policy. Please take time to read the first 4 articles which Armadillo posted on your talk page. -- Infrogmation 11:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
This is the contribution we would like to add:

"Ceramic Mardi Gras Mask Ceramic Mardi Gras Masks are unique and original pieces of art work from New Orleans. The Fancy Ceramic Mardi Gras Masks are usually poured, sculpted, and handpainted by many native artists in New Orleans, Louisiana. Ceramic Mardi Gras masks are usually designed to be displayed as decorations and are not generally worn as face mask. They are almost as old as Mardi Gras itself and although not part of a costume, they have been handed out at balls and some of the earlier works signed "Sally New Orleans" are some of the most sought after collectibles on the web."

Someone please tell us how to do it. If it is acceptable. I also have some original pictures I would like to add but I assume that is a no go too.--Nolaimports 18:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

The ceramic masks are not really a Mardi Gras thing but more of a chintzy tourist thing. This would be akin to wasting a section in the New York City article on Empire State Building thermometers or I heart NY mugs.L0b0t 12:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I forgot to mention that these ceramic masks are available in almost every little tourist trap in almost every city in America.L0b0t 12:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Krewe du Vieux

Admin Infrogmation, I gather you are a member of KDV? I notice that KDV receives a number of by-name mentions in various Mardi Gras-related entries. I haven't done a count, but it seems KDV receives more attention than a number of larger/older/more prominent organizations. I don't have anything against KDV, but an outside reader would likely be misled to concluding KDV plays a more prominent role than it really does. I'm not here to start a fight, simply to pose an honest question as to whether KDV gets relatively greater mention than is warranted. For the record, I am a lifelong New Orleanian.

P.S. I completely agree with the admins about the ceramic masks. It's a tourist thing.

This article needs work. [1]What about the Krewes of Comus, Momus, & Proteus? Everyone knows Rex,real name(School of Design)and Zulu. Other social clubs well? What about the Old men of Illinois or the Young men of Illinois? Did you know they every Mystic Krewe has a corresponding exclusive club? What about the high society ball? Also in dealing with nudity on Bourbon Street, did anyone happen to mention after reconstruction that the street degenerated into a Brothels with prostitues.(Prior to the Civil War is was the wealthiest street in the Vieux Carre) As for now the nudity on the most part seems to be from tourist college girls who do whatever they want away from home. They should also be a section about how the toruist behave badly. As for images can't anyone do better than the ones found? Is this a toruist article?--Margrave1206 (talk) 16:30, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Just my 2 cents

The Mardi Gras mask were probably a bad example of the areas not covered in this very narrowed view of N.O. mardi gras. At least I'm not the only one that has noticed it. One could argue that areas such as public urination, pick pockets, religious originations picketing the event, and on and on etc., etc., are not given their just do. Also the commercial links seem to change depending on the time of day you visit. humm... Wheres the discussion on those actions? What else seems funny, is the main body of the content seems to change without discussion, It just mysteriously changes. A outside admin could easily check this out. It's very obvious that there are "special interest" at work here on wkipedia. I think that staying in a town after one too many frat parties does not make one an expert on anything New Orleans .Yea, there's big problems here and serious need of "outside" mediation.

Thanks! "N.O. Native"—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.236.242 (talk)

We should also touch on Mardi Gras 1971 when the police were on strike and law enforcement was handled by the National Guard. The NG were ordered only to act against property crime and crimes of violence; sex and dope in the streets and the best Mardi Gras ever. Cheers. L0b0t 19:43, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] King cake

The article states that the traditional king cake is the braided coffee-cake style. Isn't the "traditional" king-cake the French custard cake, with the coffee-cake style being a New Orleans twist (pardon the pun)? L0b0t 04:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

  • At this point, King Cake is more of a New Orleans tradition than it is a French one. Further, KC often comes filled with various things, the most popular being Creole Cream Cheese, which is really a harder, sweeter custard.

To this New Orleans native, filled KCs are something created in the 1980's or 1990's. Purists still consider plain KC the only real deal. And doesn't custard have to have eggs in it to be custard? Creole cream cheese has no eggs.rich 02:24, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


No, not the Creole cream cheese. The French King Cakes, the ones that are like a large custard tart. They spoil within a day or two so you have to eat them at once.K1ng l0v3 05:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nudity outside of FQ

the article says "nudity outside of the FQ" is "discouraged". i would change that to "unheard of" or "rare".rich 04:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

This article is woefully short of citations. I've added a few, but I believe more are necessary (particularly in the "History" section) to improve the article's probity. I'll work to add more citations, but I know some editors have taken de facto guardianship over this entry. Please be patient with me and we can improve this article together. Kindest regards, AlphaEta T / C 04:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletions regarding Rex parade

The reference to the first Rex being known only as "Mr. Halliday" is inaccurate. The first Rex is identified at the organization's website as Louis Solomon. In addition, the statement that Rex has paraded every year since 1872 is also inaccurate, since parades were cancelled in times of war (WW1, WW2) and also during the police strike in the 1970s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.11.47.167 (talk) 06:24, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Quite right, thanks for the edit. -- Infrogmation (talk) 17:55, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mardi Gras Parade Template

Does anyone want to help with the Mardi Gras Parade template? It's here: Template:Mardi Gras in New Orleans There needs to be more krewes in the template, and there is probably a better way of categorizing the krewes. If you want to expand the template to be about the whole Mardi Gras in New Orleans too, please do. Bib (talk) 15:27, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Krewe de Viuex is new is it not? What about the 12th Night Revelers?

Twelfth Night Revelers: traditional "kick-off" to the Carnival Season since 1870. Krewes of New Orleans & Clubs of New Orleans --Margrave1206 (talk) 17:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copy edit

Good hello, I've tagged the article for copy editing. The section on Katrina's effect is a very clunky read and could use a thorough going over. Cheers. L0b0t (talk) 01:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)