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The Swedish Article in Wikipedia is good!New Left-"Nya Vänstern" because it explains the origin New Left and New Left Revue,but even explain how the term has different meanings and the movement have moved different directens in different countries and have been used in a very wide range,but the focus in the article is on whats new with the NEW LEFT the founding of the Young Marx,and Alienation theorie,like it was in the beginning with New Left movement in UK. But Frankfurt school and Andre Gorz,Jean Paul Sartre and others had contact and were friends with E.P Thompson,C.Wright Mills,Miliband. So it was N0T isolated Anglo-American movement! with British heartbeat,Herbert Wells

I expanded the introduction to account for the origins of the term "new left" and the context in which it was first used. Thereafter it meant different things in different places and times. There is room for improvement. Some people consider the Prague Spring to be New Left, but I really don't know enough to say. There should be a paragraph on France and the June Days and the autonomist developments in Italy. The eurocommunist page covers the 1970's in Western Europe very well. A final paragraph could discuss the legacies of the movement. The term isn't really used any more, at least not in the U.S. DJ Silverfish 19:42, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Agree - really new more European context (Paris 68, Prague, Italian hot autumn, German autonomism, greens, Rudolf Bahro, new social movements. I don't know enough to do it! --BobFromBrockley 10:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I have actually tagged the article with

before reading this talk page. Apologies.

Anyway, I fully agree. The German article could be a good starting point for the German situation, the Spanish article simply lists a number of Spanish organizations. --LucVerhelst 15:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Can this tag be removed now or not? Article now has material on European/international new left. is this enough? Maybe the International section should be tagged as a stub, rather than the whole article tagged for worldview? BobFromBrockley 16:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

The introduction should make it clear that "New Left" is a term used in different way in different countries. I edited that myself. The text makes it very clear: the British New Left seems to have very little connection with the U.S. New Left except for their rejection of the acceptance of the authority of the Communist Party.

I wil also re-write the introduction so that the language is less biased. At this time, the introduction reads with a slight right-wing bias in the use of adjectives to describe the New Left. --Hugo Estrada 20:05, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

It's much better now. Thanks Hugo! Can we remove worldview tag now? BobFromBrockley 16:49, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Maybe you can write a line to LucVerhelst asking him to check the page over and remove the tag, since it seems that he was the person who put it there. --207.218.96.3 21:27, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to see the addition of a material pertaining to the "New Left" movement in Japan. 69.139.75.80 16:46, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 British New Left comments by 81.144.199.140 2 New Leftists (or those who inspired them) 3 New Politics Convention 4 Extreme POV edit 5 Legacy/Criticism 6 Signing comments 7 Photos 8 Revisionists & Revisionist Historians

[edit] British New Left comments by 81.144.199.140

The article fails to mention the split between the 'Old' British New Left (STuart Halla s first Editor of New Left Review), and the 'Second New Left' (Perry Anderson's Editorship of NLR). Or that part of the former, notably Ralph Miliband, went on to launch the Socialist Register - an annual still going (after Miliband's death). There is much that is missing, even in summary, about the differences between the two British 'new lefts', summarised by Thompson in The Poverty of Theory,and replied to by Anderson in Arguments Within English marxism. Scores of books and article are available on this. I also notice that the British New Left simply dies, or is subsumed udner the journal NLR, after this. In fact the May Day Manifesto 1968/9 (?) was an important New Left conference-created (notably Raymond Williams0 initiative with wider resonance. Later there was the Socialist Society, 1980s to early 1990s (I was on its Co-Ordinating Committee), and at present the monthy Red Pepper (Hilary Wainwright) could be said to be a living example of British New Left politics. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.144.199.140 (talk • contribs) 09:54, 11 October 2006.

[edit] New Leftists (or those who inspired them)

Perhaps we should add people from the Frankfurt School, for instance Max Horkheimer, Theodore Adorno, Marcuse, Benjamin and Jurgen Habermas. According to BLACKBURN, Simon. Oxford Dictionary of Philosphy., the School profundely influenced the New Left. --El Chemaniaco 18:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Seems to me "New Leftists (or those who inspired them)" is a silly phrase. Should it be two lists, one of new leftists, and one of their inspirations? Latter list might include Frankfurt folk, cetrainly Marcuse.

BobFromBrockley 14:22, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I still strongly think this. Unless there are objections, I'm going to make the list two lists: one for those who inspired the new left, and one for new leftists as such. BobFromBrockley 16:50, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Politics Convention

I removed this sentence from end of intro para. Seems important, but too specific for intro. Can it be fitted into US history section?

An example of this was the New Politics Convention (September 1967) wherein a list of un-refusable demands was presented by the black caucus, throwing the convention into turmoil.

BobFromBrockley 10:35, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Extreme POV edit

An anonymous editor has done an extreme POV edit. I will start to restore lost info and remove POV language. BobFromBrockley 17:04, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you ought to consider justifying your edit instead of simply asserting that you are a Marxist [100 million dead and still counting] called Bob from Brockley. Are we supposed to presume from this information that you are a malignant narcissist who can be expected to delete any interpretation with which you disagree?

Urgel Bogend

Feel free to presume what you like about me. I think my edits can be easily justified based on criteria like not pushing a particular point of view and giving information. BobFromBrockley 16:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

If you think that deleting material because you do not agree with it is not pushing a point of view you need to see a psychiatrist.

Urgel Bogend

Actually, if you compare the versions, you will see I did not delete, I put back in deleted material. But enough already. BobFromBrockley 13:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Which of course is merely another way of saying you deleted material because you did not approve of it. Who are you trying to convince here? You do not even convince yourself! All I can say is that I pity your students.

Urgel Bogend

[edit] Legacy/Criticism

I changed the title of this section from legacy to criticism because it read too right-wing to me. For example, political correctness occurs in the right or the left, at least in the U.S. There are many terms and people who are considered off limits to conservatives, such us talking about "surges" instead of military escalations.

But I think that it is fair to have a criticism entry, so I left the text as it is.

Hugo Estrada 20:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I removed the following sentence:

In more recent times it has been claimed - for example by Nick Cohen - that contrary to their hostility to organised religion and their support for personal freedom just as the Old Left were apologists for Stalinism the New Left are apologists for Islamicism.

This is not a claim Cohen has made. He has criticised some sections of the contemporary left for something similar, but not the New Left, the subject of this article. BobFromBrockley 09:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Signing comments

Users, please sign your comments.Dogru144 16:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

That was me. Sorry for the omission.--Hugo Estrada 20:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photos

This era involved politics as fun and sometimes frivolous, such as colorful signs, painted faces and so on.

Let's try to find and upload some photos for this. Dogru144 16:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

no

[edit] Revisionists & Revisionist Historians

We need Disambiguation for the "New Left." --Ludvikus (talk) 20:11, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

(1) What is your rationale for merging Historical revisionism into this article?

(2) Why on earth does "New Left" need a disambiguation page? Please respond by reference to WP:DAB. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 20:29, 6 May 2008 (UTC)