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[edit] Cleanup of this article

As per classes, I have placed the cleanup tag on this page. Please aid in cleanup. AEMoreira042281 20:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I rated this as Start-class mostly because of three things:
  1. The article is 41kb long but only shows 3 references.
  2. The article has many lists and tables, but not much prose.
  3. The history section need expansion.
That the article is mostly unreferenced is the biggest criticism. If you can address any of these issues, I would move it up to B-class right away. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 21:34, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

On that, the one issue I am unsure of what to resolve is the roster, which is updated as buses are moved around. As for the rest of the article, I am sourcing it, although the New Jersey Transit website and an unofficial site are my two main sources.

If there is something that should be cites, please tag it with {{fact}}, other than the roster which is frequently updated and changed. AEMoreira042281 04:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

If the roster changes frequently, I would suggest that it may not be suitable for an encyclopedia article. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 17:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Roster has been removed, but depot assignments remain, as they are sourced. AEMoreira042281 06:29, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Roster not adequately sourced

I suggest removing the roster, because a) A fansite is used as the only source 2) this is subject to frequent change 19:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)Raryel

If there's going to be a new source for the bus roster, it would be nice if there was a link to it. I understand why it's not suitable for Wikipedia, but I found it very useful. Is it possible to provide a link for that information as an external link? Ctrabs74 12:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Separate routes into a new article?

This article is becoming very long. If done, PDF links will be added to the route numbers. (The article would be New Jersey Transit bus routes.) AEMoreira042281 03:45, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

You could model it after list of bus routes in Manhattan, split into two articles by division. Do you know anything about their history as streetcar lines? According to [1] (ca. 1926) the Public Service Railway split the numbering at Trenton; is that where the divisions are split? (See [2] for a rough map of Public Service.) [3] and its "past and present" links has some historic information. --NE2 04:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll start the new list, for now at Talk:New Jersey Transit Bus Operations/temporary. --NE2 13:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Partial list of former and current private companies

Feel free to edit this. --NE2 10:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Current
  • A&C Bus Corporation
  • Academy Bus
  • Bergen Avenue Bus Owners Association: Jersey City, operates through the Holland Tunnel and a Bergen Avenue Local [4]
  • Broadway Bus Owners Association: Bayonne [5]
  • Community Coach (Coach USA): includes 2 Passaic-Allwood-Bloomfield, 77 Port Authority, and ? Morristown [6]
  • DeCamp Bus Lines: includes 32 Nutley-New York, 33 Caldwell-New York and Montclair, 44 ?-New York, 66 Montclair-New York, 77 Morristown-New York, 88 ?-New York, 99 Kearny-New York, 145 Newark, and 146 Walnut Street [7]
  • Lafayette and Greenville Independent Bus Owners Association
  • Lakeland Bus Lines
  • Lion Trailways
  • Academy Bus
  • Olympia Trails (Coach USA)
  • Orange Newark Elizabeth Bus (Coach USA)
  • Rockland Coaches (Coach USA): includes 99 Jersey City Express, 4 Ridgefield-Palisade Park, 5 New York, 11A West Haverstraw-41st Street via Turnpike, 11A Montvale, and 47 ? [8] (it may be best to separate the 99 service from the other Rockland Coaches services as they're two separate operations, IIRC)
  • ShortLine (Coach USA)
  • Suburban Trails (Coach USA)
  • Trans-Bridge Lines

(I removed some of the operators listed who do not operate service for NJT or operate service within the state.)Ctrabs74 22:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Rockland Coaches and Red & Tan in Hudson County are two separate operators, and have their own articles. In addition, the #22 Hillside info is in the Academy Bus article. Carefree Bus may not end up meeting [[WP:N|notability requirements. All operators linked via the {{NYC surface transit}} template have articles, except for ShortLine.
Former
  • Trackless Transit Company: current 94, started 1922
    • East Orange Transit Lines: current 97, acquired 1966 from PSCT, transferred 1969
    • Newark Caldwell Bus Line?: current 71, acquired 1948 from DeCamp (which got it in 1925 from Harry Youngjohn), transferred 1957
  • A. E. Vanderhoof and Sons: Route 24 71.241.121.58 07:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Bayview Bus?: included Woodbridge Mall to South Amboy and New Brunswick [9]
  • Bergen and Central Bus Company
  • Beviano Chartered Service: Route 44 Edgar Road, current 56 71.241.121.58 07:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Central Avenue Bus Owners Association: included Central Avenue - Medical? Center - Journal Square - CNJ Station in Jersey City [10]; later Coach USA's 231; cancelled in January 2006 and replaced by NJT's 981 [11][12]
  • City Service Transit Company: included Rutherford-Newark [13]
  • Coast Cities Coaches: included 5 Asbury Park via Ocean Avenue, 7 Asbury Park-Long Branch, and 31 Oakhurst-Asbury Park [14]
  • Domenico Bus Service: included Staten Island-Bayonne, Brooklyn, Madison Avenue Express, Richmond Avenue, Hylan Boulevard, 23rd/5th to 40th/9th, [15]
  • Downtown Bus Company
  • Drogin Bus Company, 1930-1997: operated what became Red & Tan in Hudson County's 144 and possibly the ONE
  • Elizabeth-Union-Hillside-Irvington Bus Line: former route 6, current route 26 71.241.121.58 07:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Eva Gershkowitz Bus Company: 12 Newark-Elmora, 18 North Newark (?) 71.241.121.58 07:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Garden State Bus Lines
  • Graope Transportation Company?
  • Henry Hohorst: on Central and Bergen Avenues [16]
  • Hudson Bus Transportation Company: included 4 Ridgefield-Palisades Park [17] and Merritt and Ocean Avenues to Midtown [18]
  • Hudson County Executive Express: Port Authority-Union City [19]
  • Inter-City Transportation Company
  • John A. Policastro Company?
  • Leisure Line (Coach USA, folded into ShortLine
  • Manhattan Transit Company
  • Maplewood Equipment Company: included 1 River Road Express, 7 Cliffside Park-?-Weehawken-West New York-Union City-North Bergen, 9 ?, 30 Paterson-New York, 35 Express Hackensack-Maywood-Paramus-Ridgewood, 45 Hackensack-Rochelle Park-Ridgewood, [20]
  • Marion Bus Transportation Company
  • Martucci Bus Company
  • Montgomery and West Side Bus?
  • Newark-Elizabeth Bus Owners Association?
  • North Boulevard Transportation Company
  • North Newark Bus Owners Association?
  • Orange and Black Bus Lines
  • Pisano Bus Company?
  • Somerset Bus Company: 140/141 (current 65/66), 143 and 222 (current 113), 15/111 (current 112), 148/148X (current 114/117), 150(?) (later 350 NYC-Allentown, to Trans-Bridge—was this one Somerset? because it operated and operates on the US 22 corridor, and used to be NJ Transit) 71.241.121.58 07:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  • South Orange Avenue Independent Bus Owners Association
  • South Hudson County Boulevard Bus Owners Association? Hudson County Boulevard? Bee Eight Bus Company?: included 1 Union City-West New York-North Bergen, 1 Journal Square, 5 New York, and 10 Jersey City-Bayonne Local [21]
  • Springfield Avenue Bus Owners Association?
  • T. A. Gearty Bus Company?
  • W & W Bus Company?
  • Washington Street Bus Association?
  • Waverly Bus Company?
  • Will Morris Bus Company?: 38 North Arlington-Kearny-East Newark-Harrison-Newark


I saw another article on the Short Line Bus company, but I can't remember where I saw it. It was a stub, and as far as I can recall, it had nothing to do with Coach USA ---- DanTD 01:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PABCO NJT codes

Per contact with NJ Transit, the MCM-X routes do have internal NJT numbers, starting with 87X, e.g. route MCM1 (or route 1, as the bus displays have it) is route 871, MCM2 is 872, ad libitum. These numbers coincide with the TXXXX code on the rear flap of printed NJT bus timetables (e.g. the former route B1 had the T0751 code in print prior to the institution of all-numeric designations, et cetera). 71.241.121.58 07:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Could you please add a section explaining about the zones used for ticketing? Is each municipality one zone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.140.50.202 (talk) 05:22, August 30, 2007 (UTC)