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Regarding this passage from the article:
- Among the differences in the TNIV is that it will use more gender-neutral language, referring in some places, for example, to "children of God" instead of "sons of God" and changing phrases such as "a man is justified by faith" to "a person is justified by faith." Male references to God, however, will not be modified.
Would it be fair to say that this is the same or similar approach taken to gender-neutral language that was used in gong from the Revised Standard Version to the New Revised Standard Version? Sounds the same to me, but I want to verify before changing the text. Thanks, Wesley
According to IBS:
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http://www.gospelcom.net/ibs/bibles/termsofuse.php
- Not sure why the above was posted as it doesn't have anything to do with our use of the IBS and NIV names. In any case, I've removed the registered trademark symbols from the article, since we're under no obligation to mark third-party trademarks. Psychonaut 15:31, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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I removed this line:
The translators used liberal textual criticism in translating this version. The New Testament is based mainly on Westcott and Hort's Greek text.
According to the NIV preface, the NIV used an eclectic Gk text - NOT W-H! iHoshie 13:05, Apr 15, 2004 (UTC)
And I moved these two for discussion:
The NIV has sometimes been criticized for sacrificing literalness more than would have been needed for achieving readability. Non-Protestants notice a decidedly Protestant bias in it.
Who makes these criticisms? -- Stephen Gilbert 03:10, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
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- Most non-protestants. For example, certain words, abiguities, and contradictions, are glossed over, e.g. the appearance of two different Creation accounts in Genesis. The NIV also completely cuts out at least 1 whole biblical verse which is present in other versions, e.g. KJV (unfortunately I cannot remember which it is, though I do remember it is part of a gospel)
Yes, many verses are missing in the NIV and its Greek Text. There are also many parts of verses that are missing. --God's Webmaster 23:14, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a section (by itself or under controversy) with the missing verses and maybe some sort of explanation? MattFBC 16:35, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Non-Protestants" WERE involved
I am Lutheran (Missouri Synod) and most Lutherans tend to see ourselves as distinct from "Protestantism" since Luther predated that term. There were Lutherans involved in translation of the NIV. There were also Anglican/Episcopalian translators, and they often see themselves as closer to Roman Catholicism than Protestantism. I assume that by "Protestant" the article is referring to Christians in general who are not part of the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox communions. Currently we use the NIV in our liturgy and as the basis for our Concordia Self-Study Bible, though we are adopting the English Standard Version once our new hymnal is released in 2006.--MarshallStack 17:50, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
The Prefix for the NIV itself says they drew across all main line christian denominations, including Catholic to prevent denomination-bias. Joncnunn 19:12, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
No, Roman Catholics were not involved in the NIV translation process (nor were Eastern Orthodox, incidentally). However, Anglicans were, and hence it surprises me that the NIV does not include the Apocrypha, as Anglicans use it (as do some Lutherans).--MarshallStack 04:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Copyrighted?
A few years ago someone explained the reasoning behind the copyrighting of the NIV translation of the Bible, but I can no longer recall what it was. Does anyone have the reasoning for reserving the copyrights? --129.173.105.28 20:32, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Probably so someone couldn't republish the entire NIV bible under their own name & copyright. Joncnunn 19:15, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] New category
I'd love to see a new category added for criticisms (and responses to criticisms) regarding the NIV translation. Any takers? I'd give it a go myself but I'm a) happy with my NIV translation and b) not well-versed on the basis of criticisms. --JesusFreak Jn3:16 01:59, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
You'll get people who criticise any translation (especially King James Only people), and no translation is going to keep everyone happy. In my church (Lutheran Missouri Synod), most of our liturgy is still based around the NIV, though we're adopting the ESV as our semi-official translation...however, I imagine a lot of people are still going to be using the NIV. My pastor prefers the NASB.--MarshallStack 04:34, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Textual Basis" and "Translation Type"
Those numbers are unsourced and unexplained. Where do they come from and what do they mean? Peter Ballard 04:51, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Recent Vandalism
One of the recent vandals inserted this link http://www.talkjesus.com/bible-study-hall/13795-niv.html in the NIV entry he vandalized. I traced the IP to New York. In the post on the message board from Chad, Administrator of the website "Talk Jesus", who posted a long diatribe against the New International Version of the Bible, is in New York according to the location listed for him. Coincidence? I have no idea why adherents to the King James Version of the Bible continue to act this way. Knight1000 (talk) 04:10, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Update and Overhaul
getting the broom and vacuum cleaner out
- Removed King James Bible propaganda
- Removed information and subject matter that seemed more like gossip belonging in a National Inquirer, some was pretty inflammatory and didn't have any references
- Removed information from infidels.org; quoting anything from infidels.org and expecting it to be unbaised is silly
- Removed information that the New International Version is tied with a conspiratorial homosexual agenda, this is beyond silly for anyone to even entertain this as substantive
- Discrepancy’s and problems with the codex Vaticanus and codex Sinaiticus, should go in those respective areas or another area. The NIV entry is not really a good place to air personal grips about codexs
- King James Onlyism debate information needs to go in its respective area, especially when the topics discussed have nothing to do with the NIV
- Added new information w/references
- Clean up the wording, article short and to the point, w00t!
Knight1000 (talk) 07:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- I appreciate your effort, and I'm glad a lot of that ridiculous KJV-only stuff is gone (if for no other reason than it belongs in an article on the KJV-only debate). But something about "evangelical bias" needs to go back in. I always thought that was a relatively widespread criticism of the NIV, and I've even noticed it myself FWIW. Peter Ballard (talk) 11:50, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
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- "evangelical bias"? You will have to clue me in, I've never heard of that charge unless your referring to information from infidels.org. Knight1000 (talk) 15:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I think Pete means that it changes the text to smooth over proposed contradictions, but that criticism is already there. (ApostleJoe (talk) 19:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC))
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