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Contents 1 Requested move 1.1 Discussion 1.2 Decision 2 Merge from Marrano

[edit] Requested move

• the reasons for move copied from WP:RM

• Support - The (proposed) New Christian (Jewish) and New Christian (Swedenborgian) are "equal" ambiguities: neither use of the term "New Christian" is particularly dominant, yet each use is quite distinct. Mac 04:00, 2005 Apr 7 (UTC)
• Oppose now that New Christian (Swedenborgian) was moved to Swedenborgianism. violet/riga (t) 20:03, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

After the move, the New Christian entry ought to be a disambiguation page pointing to both New Christian (Jewish) and New Christian (Swedenborgian).

[edit] Decision

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. New Christian (Swedenborgian) was moved to Swedenborgianism and the disambiguation is therefore no longer necessary. violet/riga (t) 20:03, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Merge from Marrano

I suggest Marrano to be merged into this articles since, first, they have the same subject, and second, for being a better name as New Christian [...] were also insulted as marranos and also according to my portuguese language dictionary marrano refered to either actual Jews or Moors not to converted Jews. Nabla 15:33:00, 2005-08-10 (UTC)

The other article is far more complete. Jayjg ^(talk) 19:17, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Against. DRAE says: adj. despect. Se decía del converso que judaizaba ocultamente. U. t. c. s.; no Moriscos in Spanish. Besides, New Christians are obviously Christians, so unconverted Jews or Muslims are not included. +

cristiano nuevo 1. m. y f. Persona que se convierte a la religión cristiana y se bautiza siendo adulto. For the RAE, there is no mention of Jews or Muslims. However for cristiano viejo: m. y f. Descendiente de cristianos, sin mezcla conocida de moro, judío o gentil. +

Since "Marrano" is lifted from the Jewish Encyclopedia, I gather that in spite of the insulting intention, its usage is accepted in a historic context. +

--Error 19:35, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

OK, the insult argument became void. And apparentelly the word is used differently in Spain and in Portugal, at least it is refered differently in our dicionaries... Anyway this is reason enough for me to remove the merge tags.

I think this may be relevant to the marrano article so I'll copy this discussion to its talk page Nabla 00:18:16, 2005-08-11 (UTC)