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[edit] Date of Bradwell Blitz

Does anybody have it? --Concrete Cowboy 20:22, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

the "Bradwell Blitz" consisted of two bombs on Sunday October 20th 1940. Frrostie 10:45, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Are you sure it's a town?

Nothing at New towns in the United Kingdom about it, what evidence or reference do you have that this is a town? -- Francs2000 | Talk 19:55, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Define "town"? Here is a 1:10000 OS map [1]. Is your argument that it should be a village? I wouldn't start an edit war over it. It could well be regarded as a suburb of Wolverton, but traditionally it has been regarded as distinct.
It was built at around the same time as (new) Wolverton, on the other side of the tracks and canal, to house the less well paid workers on Wolverton railway works. Wolverton housed the craftsmen and Stony Stratford the managers.
There would be a reference in New towns in the United Kingdom if I put one there. Wolverton, Milton Keynes isn't there either, so it proves nothing. It is certainly new - the original Bradwell is a couple of miles to the south. ("New" is relative - it is about 100 years old, whereas Bradwell is a great deal older - must check Domesday). Does NTitUK imply "created under the New Towns Act"?
Define "town"?
In England it is any settlement that has received town charter to hold a market or fair, irrespective of size. This is an ancient law restricting trade (and putting money in the king's coffers of course). A common misconception is that the size of the settlement defines its town status however this is an American principle and has little to do with British law (see Towns of the United Kingdom). New Bradwell doesn't have a charter (I have just checked) and so it is definitely not a town.
Wolverton doesn't have a charter either (I have just checked) and so it would be just as misleading to list that as a town as New Bradwell. The village of Wolverton has existed for many years of course, it was just extended along with the construction of the railways.
Well no, not really. The inclosures pretty well completely cleared the place of everything but sheep. For all practical purposes, Wolverton was refounded with arrival of the canal and the railway. --Concrete Cowboy 23:40, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
There would be a reference in New towns in the United Kingdom if I put one there.
Please don't, unless you can show a legal charter granting town status to either settlement. As I work in the same building as the Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies it is fairly easy for me to check these things and there is nothing in the CBS about either of these settlements receiving charters. -- Francs2000 | Talk 19:32, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
According to your logic, Stony Stratford is a town because it bought a market charter in the middle ages - despite being (a) until recently (a mere 100 years or so) split right down the middle along Watling Street into Wolverton Parish and Calverton Parish and (b) (until 1965) part of Wolverton Urban District and (c) much smaller than Wolverton. But still you tell me that Wolverton isn't a town??? Must we find the evil Prince John and give him his thirty silver marks? Are you seriously telling me that the market in Wolverton is illegal? Excuse me, but last time I looked, this was 2005, not 1505.
"In more modern times it is considered that a town becomes a city (or a village becomes a town) as soon as it reaches a certain population." - Towns of the United Kingdom - which then goes on feebly to say "The charter system is still the official way of recognising town status in the United Kingdom however [...] The population system of recognising towns has no official standing yet in the United Kingdom" I'm sorry, but to describe Wolverton as "not a town" is simply laughable. So Wolverton Town F.C. must become Wolverton Village F.C.? You are beginning to make the Traditional counties of England people seem almost sane! --Concrete Cowboy 23:40, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Well call it what you will, I'm an easy going guy unlike the Traditional counties people who will return with their own brand of logic and keep coming back and wearing you down until you submit. Just be prepared for other people in the future who may give the same argument as me.
Modern trading licences have little to do with town status: if they did quite a lot of airfields up and down the country would be declared towns overnight. Not to mention fields where car boot sales are held every weekend, because their trading licences are the same. New town charters are given out and old ones revoked: Milton Keynes was given town status in the 1960s (ish), Brill had its status revoked at about the same time because the ancient right to hold a market wasn't being used.


Excuse me, but last time I looked, this was 2005, not 1505.
Welcome to the British legal system. Where else would it be legal to shoot Scotsmen wearing kilts with a bow and arrow? The legal position might be mentioned feebily in your opinion on the relevant article, but this is still the position and the law regarding town status still hasn't been repealed. But as I say if people in Wolverton believe it is a town (and I think calling your football team "Wolverton Town" is probably proof enough of where they stand) who am I to argue?
PS: Your edit comment: The Lord High Sheriff of Aylesbury says its only a village - I don't think there was any need for that. I'm only looking out for accuracy. If you don't like what I'm saying then don't listen to me, however it is worth bearing in mind that I did check my facts with the Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies. -- Francs2000 | Talk 02:42, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
The "Sheriff of Aylesbury" was intended as an analogue of "Sheriff of Nottingham" (see Robin Hood), in the same vein as paying 30 silver marks to the Black Prince for permission to have a market. It was intended to be humourous, but ok, there was an edge to it. I accept that you are only the messenger decribing the law as it stands, but it's traditional to shoot the messenger! Well that's what it said in a Terry Pratchett book I read. <grin> --Concrete Cowboy 09:27, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
What can I say? I had had a bad day and it was 3.45 am... -- Francs2000 | Talk 11:56, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Locally wolverton has always been known as a town and New Bradwell a village (I was born in New Bradwell and live here still) The simplilest definition of town is used, i.e. a village with a market is a town. Wolverton had and still does have a regular market, new bradwell doesn't and never had one. http://sb.thefreedictionary.com/town http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/town Those are the first two refferences I found, but it's the common British definition of the word town so it's usage in this context is fair and apropriate. Frrostie 13:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC)