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[edit] Lake George Tour Boat Sinking

I noticed that you made some editing on the Lake George Page. I was wondering if you thought it should be moved to it's own page. I was also wondering if you knew how to move something into the In The News section on the Wikipedia main page because the Lake George Tour Boat Sinking appears to have been never put into the In The News section. I am pretty new at Wikipedia so thank you in advance for helping me out. --steveheidt 14:39, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion: Flying Spaghetti Monsterism

Hi Ben/Neutrality, Why did you delete Flying Spaghetti Monsterism? As far as I could see, it was a well constructed article, and verifiable if you have a browse around the web. Admittedly, it was about a fictional/dubious religion therefore the verifiability is also dubious. But could you have instead added a "The neutrality of this article is debated" template and let the Wikipedians do the clean-up? I would have a look into it for you?! zrenneh/Henry Hadlow 11:00, 5 October 2005 (UTC) (No user page yet!)

[edit] ArbCom elections

Hello, Neutrality/Archive 27. In case you haven't noticed, I'm writing a special series on the upcoming 2005 ArbCom elections for The Wikipedia Signpost. In the October 17 issue, we will be profiling the current ArbCom members. Note that this should not be a platform for re-election; rather, it should serve as an insight into what you feel about the ArbCom, and your opinions of it are. Thus, I hope you don't mind answering a few questions. Many thanks!

1. Are up for re-election this year?
2. If so, do you plan to run for re-election?
3. How do you feel about serving on the ArbCom?
4. What do you think are the strengths of the ArbCom?
5. Weaknesses?
6. If you could change anything, what would you change? Why?
7. Do you regret accepting your position? Why or why not?
8. If you could say one thing to the current ArbCom candidates, what would you say, and why?
9. Do you think your job is easy? Hard? Explain.
10. Looking in retrospective, is there anything you would have done differently?
11. Do you feel that the ArbCom is appreciated by the community? If not, how do you think that could be changed?
12. What is the most frustrating thing about being on the ArbCom? Enjoyable?

I hope you didn't mind me bombarding with you with questions; by no means feel obligated to answer all (or any) of them. Thanks for serving Wikipedia, and for taking your time to help a Signpost reporter! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | WS 14:08, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | WS 13:15, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Biography Collaboration of the "Week"

Hi - FYI. Kaisershatner 17:26, 8 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] BioCOTW Project

You voted for Pope Shenouda III of Alexandria, this weeks' Biography Collaboration of the weeks. Please come and help them become a featured-standard article.

[edit] arbcom case

Please explain your vote in my arbcom case, it does not seem to make sense on multiple levels. zen master T 03:09, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

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 18:57, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Columba Bush

Why did you restore the paragraph about the airport incident? It seems quite POV to me.--HistoricalPisces 17:09, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] WP:RFAR/SV

Re: Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Stevertigo/Proposed_decision#Ommision_of_fact

I understand that some are quite busy and may have missed recent discussion and questions regarding my Arbcom matter. Ive taken the liberty of posting here to remedy any inadvertent oversight regarding my case. Sinreg, St|eve 22:24, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dispute over Alternative theories regarding Hurricane Katrina

I am in a dispute over the inclusion of an offensive quote in Alternative theories regarding Hurricane Katrina (specifically, Fred Phelps' vulgar attack on homosexuals). I've promised the other party to this dispute that I would seek a third party opinion, and, well, you are Neutrality. Can you have a look at the paragraph in question, and advise as to whether its inclusion is appropriate, or if you have any alternative ideas as to how this material should be handled? Cheers!  BD2412 talk 21:01, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

  • Never mind, we've managed to work out the situation. Cheers!  BD2412 talk 04:53, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Signpost

Hello, Neutrality! I just wanted to deliver this week's issue of The Wikipedia Signpost, which features the current ArbCom, directly to your front door. :-) Also, if you wish to read your fellow Arbitrators' full and unabridged responses, you can find them here. Thanks again for all your help! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | WS 21:20, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Textbook" revision

Is it just me or do I see an incomplete sentence in one of your edits? There's a paragraph in Textbook that ends, "Teachers are usually not required t", and it appears in your Rewrite. No following revisions have addressed the matter. Al Fox 18:07, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Decalogue

FDuffy (talk · contribs) has been working his magic on Ten Commandments. Please review the edit history. JFW | T@lk 12:29, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Bounty Board

Ben,

I've been thinking for a while about starting a Wikipedia:Bounty Board, where people put up monetary bounties for articles to become featured, but where the money all goes to the Wikimedia Foundation if the conditions are met. I have a draft at User:Quadell/bounty.

It seems to me that the positives would be that it would encourage donations and encourage the creation of featured articles, and it would fill a gap - that people tend to look for a psychological "reward" when they've worked hard for Wikipedia. But my questions are: 1, Do you think there are any legal problems with this? 2, Do you think this goes against the Wiki philosophy? And 3, Do you see any other problems? (I'm asking several long-term and knowlegeable Wikipedian about this.)

Thanks for your input, – Quadell (talk) 17:48, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

P.S. I hope you survive the bad weather in one piece!

[edit] Chris Wallace

Why the revert on the Chris Wallace (journalist) page? I found nothing objectionable in anon's edits. --Asbl 20:19, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Conspiracy theory

Please investigate and comment on the talk page about multiple changes to the Conspiracy theory article made in the last week or so [1]. In my interpretation, clarity has been reduced and info on the mechanics of how "conspiracy theory" may bias the presentation of a subject has been downplayed or removed. zen master T 19:16, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] No Original Research

Please got to Talk:John Kerry and read this edit in context there. Your comments there about this issue would be appreciated. Rex071404 216.153.214.94 01:52, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] twoversions

Hello Neutrally, seems like someone has vandalized the {twoversions} template, can you take a look? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Twoversions&diff=26597894&oldid=21302475 zen master T 16:19, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Did Kerry really release Navy records?

Just thought I'd return the favor and send you this link. Rex071404 216.153.214.94 02:51, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh and this too. :)

[edit] JamesMLane for admin

I have created this Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/JamesMLane, but and not sure if I've posted it right.

Please look. Rex071404 216.153.214.94 08:48, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Friendly Chat

Hello Ben, my old friend. How have you been? I would like you to look at the article Freddie Prinze and the website: Freddie Prinze Sr. I would like your opinion because I personaly believe that there is a copyright violation here. I expect to be hearing from you, your Wiki-friend Tony the Marine 01:08, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Interview Request

Hi Ben - I am a writer for the Yale Daily News Magazine, and I am currently working on a feature article about Wikipedia. I was wondering if you would perhaps be interested in being interviewed over the phone sometime. If you are at all willing, please email me at jessica.feinstein@yale.edu. Thanks, JF

[edit] Regarding User:Rex071404

You recused yourself from Rex's third Arbitration Case, [2] so I thought you would be the best person to ask about this. Seeing as I can't comprise your judicial judgement as you're already recused. Ever since Rex's latest ban, he's dug back into John Kerry. There he has recently violated the 3RR twice. [3] [4]. But for some reason, no Admin is willing to intervene. The first 3RR violation was completely ignored and it looks like the second one might go that way too.

Specifically I need to know if this ArbComm judgement: "7) In the event Rex071404 reverts any edit for any reason any administrator may impose a short ban (a hour to a day for first offenses and up to a week for repeat offenses)." [5] Is expired as Rex claims it is: [6]. Or whether that statute is still active and needs to be enforced. -- Mr. Tibbs 02:15, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bald Eagle

There is a long-standing convention that all bird articles on wikipedia are capitalised. if you are unhappy with this please raise (again!) on Tree of Life, although I have to see there is little prospect of agreement to such a change, which has been proposed before. Apart from anything else 2-3000 articles would have to be changed. In any event, please do not act unilaterally. jimfbleak 16:18, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

also, you should be aware that even if a move is legitimate, you need to fix the links to the moved page. Jim

[edit] White's Tree Frog Peer Review

Hi Neutrality,

I have put the White's Tree Frog article up for peer review. I have noticed, that you have created, many species level entries for Tree Frogs around the world (American and Japanese etc.), and wondered if you could please peer review the article. I would greatly appreciate it. Thankyou --liquidGhoul 01:19, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks alot, that flows a hell of a lot better now. Just a question, why get rid of the two "See Also" links?

[edit] Rex071404

I've opened an arbcom case, and as you were a party to the last arbitration, I thought you might be interested. I realize you're an arbitrator now :) but I you might want to make a statement anyway. Or something. Thanks. Dmcdevit·t 06:43, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] FAC on shoe polish

Hi Neutrality. Thanks for your thoughts on the FAC vote for shoe polish. I have removed the article you questioned. Was that your only cause for objection? If it is, please reconsider your vote. Regards, Proto t c 12:29, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! Proto t c 13:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Iconoclast

It appears that Iconoclast is trying to make you famous in a bad way. Cheers! BD2412 T 22:38, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

  • Ah, never mind - I see the RfA has been deleted by Radiant! Good thing. BD2412 T 23:11, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia meetup:Tampa

I'm writing to let you know that the Tampa meetup has officially been announced -- Wikipedia:Meetup/Tampa2 →Raul654 04:01, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Halibutt

Since you have supported me during my RfA, I wonder if you could review and comment on the RfA for Halibutt, the first person I have nominated myself. There seem to be a heated debate and votes of experienced, unbiased editors would be appreciated. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:00, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dennis Kucinich Image

Just to let you know, your Dennis Kucinich image has been nominated for deletion. See here for further details. -- Clevelander 03:46, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, did you obtain permission from the Kucinich website to use this image? -- Clevelander 17:30, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Christianity Portal

Hi, I recently noticed you made improvements to the Christianity Portal. Would you be interested in adding your name to the members' list? The portal is new and just getting started - as a member, you wouldn't have to do anything :) unless you wanted to do so. What do you think? Brisvegas 08:55, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Shoe polish

Hi Neutrality, thanks for your vote of support for shoe polish to become a Featured article. With a grand total of 15 support votes (couldn't believe it myself), shoe polish is now a featured article! Hooray! All the best, Proto t c 10:07, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Amir Peretz, English usage and style

You have replaced labour with labor. Consider the following excerpts from the Wikipedia:Manual of Style:

  • "Each article should have uniform spelling and not a haphazard mix of different spellings, which can be jarring to the reader. For example, do not use center in one place and centre in another in the same article (except for comparison purposes).
  • "If an article is predominantly written in one type of English, aim to conform to that type rather than provoking conflict by changing to another."
  • "If all else fails, consider following the spelling style preferred by the first major contributor (that is, not a stub) to the article."

I recognize that "made aliyah" is customary usage in the US. Still it sounds awful, as do most Americanisms. Since you are interested in issues of style, I strongly recommend the following from The Economist Style Guide. RCSB 12:30, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Judaism

I'll take a look at it today. Regards, Jayjg (talk) 16:25, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Charles Graner on WP:FARC

Hey, I was just taking a look at some FAs, and didn't think Charles Graner was up to scratch. I see that you had self-nommed it some time last summer, so I just wanted to let you know. Have a look, see what you think. - Hahnchen 02:52, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Hi, I just noticed that you hv removed a Malaysia-related entry from the DYK. While it may be true that there have been several articles abt Malaysians recently, the DYK policy is clear that no more than one entry per DYK should relate to a specific context in a single DYK column. So, even if there are five entries related to Malaysia on different days of the week, it is ok. The contributions in DYK depend on the current articles and if more current articles are related to Malaysia, so be it. As long as it adheres to DYK policy, I believe that an article should get exposure. btw, some one did mention on the talkpage of DYK tht there was a surfeit of Malaysia-related articles but there has been no consensus or discussion abt that. Similarly, there was a discussion abt too many DYKs on capital punishment in USA (which imo hands out far fewer capital punishments when compared to, say, the middle-east), but there has been no discussion on that as well and those entries do continue. Also, it has been a norm to have four entries in DYK. Hence, please consider reverting your change to the DYK as the entry qualifies to be a part of the DYK. Also, I am sure that we do not want people who create new articles to be de-motivated. And btw, I am not a Malaysian :) Regards, --Gurubrahma 05:53, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thomas Jefferson

Keep it up. It was in large parts embarrassingly bad but one lacks the time to tackle such a project. -EDM 06:30, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] complete failure of wikipedia NPOV policy

This article Talk:Palestinian_exodus is a complete failure of wikipedia NPOV policy. Nearly 3 years ago it was anti-Palestinian. Now not a shred of that POV remaind and it is completely biased to the other side. I have edited this article for a week, yet every single word i changed there got reverted by a coordinated revert gang which is able to circumvent in this way the 3RR rule. It seems that unless I am able to get a "gang" of my own:-) there is no point trying to get this article to be NPOV. slim and jayjg are involved yet they too do not make any contribution toward NPOV. This is not what Wikipedia is all about but it is what wikipedia has become.

I don't have the time or the organized manpower as the other side to go through the usual Wikipedia mechanism. These mechanisms have failed in this article. In 3 years not a single Wikipedia admin was able to make significant contribution to make this article NPOV. This is a symptom to other anti-Israel systematic bias that is spread all over wikipedia and I suggest you find a way to address it as I can't. Zeq 18:50, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] George Orwell

Thank you for your work on this article. It is a definite improvement. --DannyWilde 08:34, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Are you the General Secretary?

Hi! I have just joined the Association of Mergist Wikipedians, as I felt I truly identified with its idea. I am currently trying to contribute to it by some various organizing, and I wonder:

Would you consider yourself being the General Secretary?

I have no objections to it and the interest in the matter has been, to say the least, limited. I feel the association page is in need of attention and I think we would benefit from declaring you as the General Secretary. Feel no pressure, though! I would be thankful for a reply on my talk page. Regards, Dennis Nilsson. --Dna-Dennis talk - contribs 14:36, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List_of_weapons_used_by_hitmen

I have been asked by the author of this article, User:206.113.26.19, for the reason for it being deleted. In the deletion log, all you entered was "Crap." Can you please elaborate? The article is, indeed, poorly written, but by no means falls under CSD:G1. An AfD would have at least given others a chance to collaborate to improve it or merge portions into another article. Owen× ☎ 02:53, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration re-opened

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2 has been re-opened. Please place evidence at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2/Evidence. Proposals and comments may be placed on Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2/Workshop. (SEWilco 03:40, 29 November 2005 (UTC))

[edit] Thou art the General Secretary

Thou have become the General Secretary of Association of Mergist Wikipedians. Regards, Dennis Nilsson. --Dna-Dennis talk - contribs 12:47, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

PS. The neutrality of your username is disputed. :) DS.

[edit] Apex fares

Hi there, you just now deleted Apex fares. From what I could see in the deletion log, the article was perfectly sane. A certain class of prebooked tickets are indeed called "apex fares", they are even mentioned on the Apex disambiiguation page. Pilatus 03:32, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] INERTIA PRO SAPENTIA

Hey whats the problem with Jim Willis page? You're going to have be a bit more specific. And of course you can always edit it yourself. Much better than a 15 second overview comment. 128.250.87.108 03:52, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pseudo Singer-songwriter

Not sure if you saw the AfD for this, so I've closed it. - brenneman(t)(c) 07:11, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Articles deleted

Had you deleted United States House of Representatives, California District 51? I am creating pages for the many congressional districts. This is not a minor project, and other people will be helping me in conjunction with Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Congress. Furthermore, I had put a note on the discussion page. --Mark_Adler (t·c) 14:09, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Early Life

I don't understand why you deleted "Early life" I plan to come back and fix it up. See ya' εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 22:05, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Never mind, I see that the article already exists. Not worth moving (like I tried to) or redirecting, as the title "Early Life" makes no sense). See ya' and sorry about the confusion. I put the deletion tag back on it, but I am going to get off the computer as I have "real world" stuff to do. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 22:09, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Image:Original Barnstar.png (giving to all Wikipedians that I leave messages for during the Holidays).

Take care, εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 22:09, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Care to respond? εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 04:24, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
All is well, está bien. It was really my fault about it, I see why you deleted it. At least we have two things of interest:history. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 23:32, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Important AfD

Hello again. Recently I've been having difficulties in getting a sufficient amount of feedback from the top caliber editors of the history and politics articles-- needed in order to establish a consensus in the vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of modern day dictators. It'll be much appreciated if you can take a look. Regards. 172 22:34, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] BC

I just wanted to let you know that your edits on Ahrensburgian culture (and probably some other pages) are against wikipedia policy. You are not allowed to change the dating system from what the creator put. Thank you, Chooserr

[edit] Need some Help

Hi, I'm Marc Perkel. I'm trying to get rid of some false statements but your admids keep deleting my revisions. I need arbetration [Here's the Link].

Thanks in Advance.

[edit] Wikifiddler is being merged to Andrew Orlowski

I'm contacting you because your help is needed and because you recently cast a vote on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wikifiddler. DannyWilde (talk · contribs), who has been actively campaigning in that AfD for the keeping of the article, has in the meantime been repeatedly copying the entire contents of Wikifiddler verbatim into Andrew Orlowski -- each and every time marking it falsely as a minor edit, and with either no edit summary or with a false one such as "rv blanking vandalism". Obviously this is unacceptable; AfD has no meaning if any editor can unilaterally save any text from deletion by simply merging it into a different article. Please assist me in resisting this attempt to circumvent AfD. -- Antaeus Feldspar 23:19, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh ho. --DannyWilde 23:40, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Babel

Could you consider adding this template to your userpage? It is very helpful in case translators are needed and such.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:32, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Db-reason

Hi there, I see that you're one of the admins who seems to be online right now. I was wondering if you can help me on this: I believe I can make Wikipedia:Template messages/All and Wikipedia:Template messages/Deletion disappear from Category:Candidates for speedy deletion. I just need Template:Db-reason to be unprotected for a moment. My comments are posted at Category talk:Candidates for speedy deletion. Would you consider giving this a try? Thanks. Shawnc 06:04, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Moise Movilă

I got most of the info from the Romanian page http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moise_Movil%C4%83 , and have tried to filter it as much as I could (in there, it's very narrative and it uses very questionable adjectives). What is the problem you see? I'm willing to admit guilt, if it is the case.Dahn 06:10, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

If it's that bribery thing, let me inform you that this was standard procedure. Wallachia and Moldavia were under strict Ottoman rule, there was no system of succession other than the higher authorities' preference, and all "candidates" resided in Istanbul, competing each other for the throne. I cannot cite precise sourdes of the time, since I don't have the texts in front of my eyes (and most have not been translated, and I could be considered biased for the translation I make of them ad-hoc). However, it is by no means a secret, nor was it a shameful thing. It was the procedure of the time, and either that or incorporation into the Ottoman Empire as provinces. In fact, the Turks had presents received as the only reason not to take over completely. The reference I added, although it deals in a few sentences with Moise, is a good analysis of this process. I'd appreciate it if you don't switch back the article. Thank you.Dahn 06:27, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pin Oak Middle

If you want to redirect it, it would be a good idea to "AFD" (to vote on a redirect) it first. WhisperToMe 06:19, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Mangere Inlet "unsourced"

With due respect, if you see a place often enough, and drive round it often enough, you know what its like without sourcing the information. If looking at a place through your own eyes is "original research', so be it, but this "unsourced" article is 100% accurate. Grutness...wha? 06:41, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Then you'd better do the same with the 80% of other items on wikipedia with no sources - most of which, no doubt, are sourced in the usual way - by looking. The only external source necessary for this is everyone who lives in South Auckland, any of whom will confirm it. I can understand external sources being needed for biographical or historical articles, but a simple list of details about a geographical entity which any of a couple of hundred wikipedian editors would be able to confirm without having to refer to any reference materials? Completely unnecessary. Grutness...wha? 06:47, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I jog. I wear a pedometer. I know the length. Grutness...wha? 06:52, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, you're just going to have to put this on AFD, then. And I suggest you do the same to all the other unsourced articles on Wikipedia. I've seen over 500 of them today alone, so this could be a load of fun. Grutness...wha? 07:03, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Sigh. Look, I know verifiability is important, as are sources, but look at it this way. This article links to several other articles, which are either unsourced themselves or - in several cases - provide plenty of sources which give the sort of information that would verify this article. It seems unnecessary to add the same links to this article that those link to. As to the information actually within this article, all of it is the sort which could be verified simply by looking at an Auckland road map. Grutness...wha? 07:22, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


Do you support the creation of a Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Code of Conduct as I have just now suggested at User talk:Jimbo Wales#A sincere question? - Ted Wilkes 18:27, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Why deleted Prospect Place?

What speedy crriteria does it mean? It's very real [7]. Renata3 20:01, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

In the mean time I moved it from another identical article created by the same user. Cheers - Renata3 20:25, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bessarabian Bulgarians references

Dear Ben, you've tagged the article Bessarabian Bulgarians as not citing sources or references. The article is based on a translation from bg:Бесарабски българи, where bibliography is cited. The problem is, two of the books are in Bulgarian and the one in Russian, so I was wondering how to provide the bibliography here on the English Wikipedia, or is it at all appropriate to mention books in a foreign language?

I was thinking of something like:

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  • Grek, Ivan and Nikolay Chervenkov. Българите в Украйна и Молдова. Минало и настояще (Balgarite v Ukrayna i Moldova. Minalo i nastoyashte), Sofia, 1993
  • Navakov, Saveliy Z. Социально-экономическое развитие болгарских и гагаузких сел Южной Бесарабии (1857-1918) (Socialno-ekonomicheskoe razvitie bolgarskikh i gagauzkikh sel Yuzhnoy Besarabii (1857-1918)), Chişinău, 2004
  • Rodolyubets Almanach, volumes 1 — 6, (Sofia, 1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2004)

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The original version (in Cyrillic):

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  • Грек, Иван и Николай Червенков. Българите в Украйна и Молдова. Минало и настояще, София 1993
  • Наваков, Савелий З. Социально-экономическое развитие болгарских и гагаузких сел Южной Бесарабиии (1857-1918), Кишинеу 2004
  • Алманах "Родолюбец", т.І - т. VІ, (София 1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2004)

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→ Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → Talk 20:34, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for reacting so fast and being so helpful! → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → Talk 20:49, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Prostitution in the People's Republic of China

Thanks for your corrections to Prostitution in the People's Republic of China. I just have an issue with the changes of spelling to American English. Is there a rule about using American English? My understanding of Wikipedia convention is that if an article is predominantly written in one type of English, the aim is to conform to that type rather than provoking conflict by changing to another. So I've reverted back to Australian English. Yeu Ninje 21:17, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Route of Olympic Flame Worldwide.gif

Hello - Your image has no copyright info and has been listed for deletion in 7 days. I'll spare you the giant template :-) -SCEhardT 23:16, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

Good rewrite of Engineers for a Sustainable World.

I've been giving some thought to categories in this area and would appreciate your input. I notice you removed my categorization for the above article (I put it inCategory:Appropriate technology for developing countries - Organizations). This seems fair enough, going by their website. So I've put it into Category:Development charities instead, and edited the text for Category:Appropriate technology for developing countries - Organizations.

It will often be hard to determine which of these two categories to put an organization into, but now there are links going each way so it will be less of a problem.

--Singkong2005 03:04, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Another question

Is it overdoing it if I make a category called Category:Appropriate technology for developing countries - People? At present, someone such as Amy Smith appears in Category:Appropriate technology for developing countries, but it's not really... appropriate.

I will post my questions also at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) --Singkong2005 03:49, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Birthplace and Birthdate

I noticed you changed the where the birthplace was mentioned in the Scott Pellerin article and I changed it back to the way it was before. I realize that it is a standard to not include the birthplace with the birthdate in biography articles, but according to the standards set in the WikiProject Ice Hockey it is necessary to put the birthplace with the birthdate in hockey bios. Croat Canuck 05:16, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Charles Sumner

Thanks for your good work re-writing Charles Sumner. The 1911 EB did not subscribe to NPOV, and our article was almost entirely taken from that source. Much better now. Cheers, -Willmcw 22:20, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mangere inlet map

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Hi - here it is. I was going to make a location map of it anyway, but this does the job well.

Sorry about the other day... another editor had severely raised my stress levels over at stub-sorting and I thought working on some NZ geography articles might calm me down a bit. Unfortunately it didn't! Grutness...wha? 05:09, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Neutrality: you can get equivalent satellite images with geographical features labelled from NASA World Wind, which can be freely used on Wikipedia. Like Google Earth, it's unfortunately only available for Windows. The hardware requirements may be a little higher than for Google Earth.-gadfium 07:24, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi again - I've made a template map for Auckland and have started using it on some articles about the city. Have a look at the map on the Mangere Inlet article now. Grutness...wha? 09:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Zen-master and IRC agreements

Hey Ben, I'm not sure what agreements you reached with Zen-master the last time he violated 3RR at Conspiracy theory, and subsquently unblocked him, but you might want to take a look at this: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:Zen-master. Jayjg (talk) 06:01, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Changes to Seignethaler article

Sorry to have reverted your changes, but you may want to review the style guidelines for using quotation marks. Cheers. Kaldari 00:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't want to rehash all the justifications about why Wikipedia uses the "British" style exclusively, but it basically boils down to the fact that the "American" style is archaic (as it is based on the limitations of letterblock and typewriter typography). In fact, the terms "American" and "British" here are misleading. The change to the newer "logical quoting" style (as it is also called) has been occuring worldwide as more people use computers to write rather than typewriters. Americans have just been slower to adopt this change, as usual (cough! metric system. cough!). It has, however, become increasingly popular in America in the past decade, especially on the web. Even the Chicago Manual of Style remarks that "The British style is strongly advocated by some American language experts." The rest of the world already uses the "British" style exclusively and it would be more accurate to call it the "global" style. On most issues of grammar and usage, the Maual of Style makes allowances for regional differences, but in the case of quotation marks we opt for the newer style exclusively, as it befits an online encyclopedia to use modern conventions except where they would cause undue confusion for readers (i.e. imperial vs. metric measurements). In this case, I believe the original use of the logical quoting style was appropriate. Kaldari 21:46, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Would you object if I changed the article back to logical quotation style as it was originally? Kaldari 22:47, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

From American and British English differences: "The American style was established for typographical reasons, having to do with the aesthetics of commas and quotation marks in typeset text.... However, many people find the usage counterintuitive. Hart's Rules and the Oxford Dictionary for Writers and Editors call the British style "new" or "logical" quoting; it is similar to the use of quotation marks in many other languages (including Spanish, French, Italian, Catalan, Dutch, and German). This "logical" style is increasingly popular in America, although formal writing generally calls for the "American" style. In fact, the British style is often the de facto standard among Americans for whom formal or professional writing is not a part of their daily life.... This rule of placing all punctuation inside quotation if and only if it belongs to the quotation is expressly prescribed by some American professional organisations such as the American Chemical Society. According to the Jargon File, American hackers have switched to using "logical" British quotation system, because including extraneous punctuation in a quotation can sometimes change the fundamental meaning of the quotation.... The American rule was used worldwide up to around the Second World War, after which the more logical style of presenting quotation marks took hold everywhere except America."

Basically, the "American" style is an anachronism from the days of typewriters (similar to the old convention of putting two spaces between sentences, which is also no longer needed thanks to kerning). Although it is true that most American style guides (though not all) still recommend the "American" usage, Wikipedia has adopted logical quoting as the preferred quoting style for all articles, regardless of topic or region of interest. It would be more appropriate for you to suggest a change to the style guide, if you feel such a change is warranted, rather than changing individual articles in a way that conflicts with it. Kaldari 23:24, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Esperanza elections

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➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 10:01, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] You voted to reject ...

... accepting the request for arbitration that I filed against SlimVirgin for abuse of adminitrator priviledges. Would you please tell me your reason? Marsden 15:02, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Number of Non-Jewish holocaust victims at Holocaust denial

Hi Neutrality,

You suggested at Holocaust denial that the number of non-Jewish victims of the Holocaust was 7 million but I don't think this is accurate. Simon Wiesenthal put the number at five million and even that was controversial. I have no idea what the real number is but I think we need to stick to a more vague wording (millions) at Holocaust denial because you can't accuse someone of denying something that legitimate historians disagree over. GabrielF 23:41, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] To Esperanza elections staff:

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[edit] Someone to watch out for

I see that you had warned User:Massrepublican for NPOV problems. Well today, he's been adding interest group ratings to all Democratic members of Congress from Massachusettes, without any discussion whatsoever. I left another warning on his talk page. Just a heads up. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 18:02, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] News from Esperanza

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[edit] Ancient Rome

Some questions regarding your recent edits to Ancient Rome:

  • Do you have a rationale for uncapitalizing "Ancient" in the term (going so far as to move Culture of Ancient Rome to Culture of ancient Rome; though probably it should simply be named Roman culture eventually, since most other pages of a similar nature are in that style)? I don't oppose the change, but I've seen both "ancient Rome" and "Ancient Rome" used in books before (just like "Ancient Greece", "Ancient Egypt", etc.—in fact, check out History of Ancient Egypt, etc.!), so I was wondering what your logic is in case anyone tries to revert it in the future. I'd been thinking about working to make the page titles and usage more consistent myself (I went back and forth a few times with my edits), but I couldn't find any source for which of the two possible titles was preferable, so I held off on that.
  • Your change to the "see2" template (renaming "Timeline of ancient Rome" to "timeline of ancient Rome" in the link) is incorrect: "See also" and "Further information" and "Main page" links subscribe to the same rules as Disambiguation notices (which is why they're both italicized, etc.), meaning that the page article should not be hidden, but should be represented exactly as the page itself is (except in cases where the title is unusually wrong somehow, i.e. iPod): no hiding parentheses, no uncapitalizing the initial word, etc. The link is discussing the article itself (and its page name), not the subject matter the article deals with; it's explicitly self-referential.
  • You changed one link of "753 BC" to "753 BCE" in an image caption. This is blatantly unacceptable: you did not change the format of any other link on the entire page, causing an inconsistency where none existed before. Furthermore, I can think of at least a half-dozen fantastic reasons why "753 BC" is vastly preferable to "753 BCE", and since Wikipedia doesn't forbid using "BC" and says to use the page style that already exists on a given page in such cases, this particular edit surprises me in how flawed it is. Am I missing something here?

Anyway, thanks for your edits and help on the page; it shouldn't be too difficult to resolve those three edits and figure out the best course of action. -Silence 13:06, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] You are apparently a "LOSE CANON". The mind boggles.

You may be interested in my recent entry at BJAODN.

Or, y'know, you may not. But I figured I'd mention it all the same.

All the best.
→ Ξxtreme Unction {yakłblah} 15:23, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Arbitration Point of Order

I've just started an RfA and see that it now includes an "outside statement by Dunc". Are outside statements allowed at this stage? --Iantresman 16:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] World Citizen userbox, {{User:1ne/Userboxes/User world}}

Hi, I noticed the message saying you're a World Citizen, I would like to invite you to add {{User:1ne/Userboxes/User world}} to your user page if you wish to proclaim it in a more effective way, and this template will also add you automatically to the Wikipedians with World Citizenship category. :) --Mistress Selina Kyle 00:05, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Turtle racing

I noticed you deleted turtle racing, and understand it may have been mistaken as spamm, but I was going to give it a stub, and add further information. I just find it helpful to have a version in "play" to edit on. In truth turtle racing is a sport, you can google for it if you like. Thanks, Chooserr 02:40, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Comments before editing?

I noticed you reverted my change without addressing my points in talk... this isn't the first time a sysop has decided to ignore the talk page and just unilaterally make changes or revert changes and it is quite frustrating... -- Jbamb 03:06, 19 December 2005 (UTC)