User talk:Neutrality/Archive 24

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[edit] Friendly Chat

Many Wikipedians have contibuted to making the Military history of Puerto Rico article into a featured article but, your contributions and dedication has been truly amazing. When I look at the page I tell myself "Wow, What is this?" what you have done is beyond words. I have been nominated for adminship and if I make it, I can only hope to be half as good as you. You are really something else. Take care Tony the Marine

[edit] Happy Birthday!

Have a great day :) -- sannse (talk) 13:40, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] uwe kils

hallo Neutrality - my students exercised as oceanographers, taking code from my space preparing for a German demonstration project on virtual university, the idea of Erik Moeller (user:eloquence) of the Wikiversity for online e-teaching and e-research and I offered my cooperation as teacher and my interactive virtual microscope for a course in Meeresbiologie and Biologie der Antarktis - for that project it is important to have reproducible credentials for the teachers. We also plan to move educational content from expensive university servers to the free project (in Germany we don't even have tuition in the University) - help us - or not - I really don't care if I am sysop or not, I have that all behind me - we try to help the NeXT generation - best greetings Uwe Kils PS we are searching for cooperators with real names 68.46.71.104 17:44, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] China History Forum (serious POV problem)

I have noticed that for the last several days, the article China History Forum has been extensively altered to suit the point of view of its founder, General Zhaoyun. This could imply self-promotion and misrepresentation of facts. May 27, 2005

[edit] Template:Featured

Hi - following the reversion contretemps, there has been some discussion at Template talk:Featured on the text of the template, to reach a compromise between the positions you and JDG have been taking - I'd be grateful for your views. (Oh, and having seen the message three places above, happy birthday yesterday!) -- ALoan (Talk) 21:03, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Stressed?

Hi Ben,

I just saw the stress meter on your user page. Is everything OK? Can I help?--Eloquence* 10:37, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Technical limitations

I was randomly moving throughout the database and found Darius Tarasevicius which is mistitled. I tried moving it to the correct title (sort of like Kurt Gödel is at the right title with the umlauts and all), but the move feature didn't seem to like me and tried to insert an upper-case A with umlauts instead of the accented c. I was wondering if you might poke the page to see if you can get it to move to the appropriate place or otherwise determine that the wrongtitle template is the best way to deal with that. I would do it myself, but my technical knowledge of how the wiki works seems to be lacking for the moment. Thanks~ -SocratesJedi | Talk 22:05, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

the correct title cannot be represented in iso-8859-1 so cannot be used here on en at present.
this will change when en is converted to utf-8 which should happen as part of the 1.5 update. Plugwash 23:22, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Belarusian flag

Hi there! Mind if I ask why did you delete the Belarusian flag from my user page? The one that was there previously was designed specifically for such uses, as the white-red-white flag on white background requires some frame around it; otherwise it's invisible and looks like a red stripe.

Now that the image I created is gone (where is it, BTW? I can't remember any IfD), there is no Belarusian flag I could use for my talk page... Halibutt 00:08, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. There's no need to recreate the pic, I can do it myself in no time just. The reason I asked was that perhaps there was some IfD ruling or some other issue I was not aware of and I did not want to break any rules by re-uploading the image. And the matter is quite curious, especially that the image on my user page has been replaced by some three or so different wikipedians over the course of half a year - every time other reasons were given..

--Regards, Halibutt 02:04, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fala

Thank you for your fascinating article on Fala. It was expertly written, and I really liked all the pictures you included. -- Dmleach 13:14, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fala speech

I got that Real Audio version of the "Fala speech" extracted to AIFF, although I haven't listened to the whole thing to make sure the stream didn't cut out. The file's 200 megabytes, and FLAC only gets it down to 82 megabytes. Vorbis should drop it below 20 megabytes, but I'm not sure what the quality loss will be like. Speex would likely do a better job, but as far as I'm aware, support for it is even less widespread. -- Cyrius|✎ 06:27, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Did you know?

Did you know has been updated
and a fact from the article Fala, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page.


[edit] Thank You

What a year! My first year in Wiki, a featured article and now administrator. Thank you for your support. I feel honored to have befriended you. I will be looking up to you for advice and guidance.Tony the Marine (UTC)

[edit] commons:Template:Todo

[edit] Wikijunior name vote

m:Wikijunior project name Voting will end June 6, 2005 at 11:30 am EST. -- user:Zanimum

[edit] Need a favor

I just spent several hours disambiguating Knopf, Alfred A. Knopf (person), Alfred A. Knopf, Inc. and Knopf Publishing Group but now I have decidedd (after seeing how the links originated) that I really need to have Alfred A. Knopf be the page for the publishing company. I would like to MOVE [[Knopf Publishing Group there but I need to have Alfred A. Knopf deleted first. I deleted the text I added and nothing no links there. Can you delete that page for me? Thanks. DS1953 04:26, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

AllyUnion did it for me so please do NOT delete the page now. All is fixed. (You can remove this whole exchange from your talk page - I didn't want to delete even my own comment without your permission.). DS1953 14:59, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Moving Judæo- to Judeo-

What are you doing? You have made no comment that I can see justifying your wholesale movement of Judæo-X to Judeo-X and yet you have done a thorough job with your moving these articles. What, if I might be so bold, pray tell, are you thinking? Just because American usage prefers -e- to -æ- does not mean that scholarly usage, even in the US prefers -e-. I can not think of a single justification for these unilateral moves, and am asking you to provide one. What you have done is not only anti-scholarly, it is contrary to WP policy (wrt to US/BrE usage) and just plain bad, since you haven't even bothered anywhere to bring forth, as yet, a single argument in favor of your actions. Very frownily yours, Tomer TALK 08:37, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

Hey Ben, ignoring the rather aggrieved tone, TShilo12 does seem to have a point; do you think we could open a dialogue about this somewhere? Jayjg (talk) 13:53, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps the logic is that you can type Judeo on an ordinary qwerty keyboard, but have to resort to higher character sets for Judæo? Mind you, I prefer Judæo nonetheless. Kvetch 17:12, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
A logical-sounding but irrelevant issue, since there were already redirects from the Judeo-X version of the names to the articles at Judæo-X. Tomer TALK 19:06, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
I'm not outraged, I'm irritated. For consistency's sake, what you're advocating is going to require far more work than what you've done thus far. Let's take this to Talk:Jewish languages, OK? Tomer TALK 19:11, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Singapore

Hi Ben,

I did some touchup on the Singapore article, and would like to invite to you review it before I send it for FAC again (which you previously objected to). Please do let me know how is it, and if any further improvement is needed. Looking forward to hearing from you. :)

- Best regards, Mailer Diablo 14:54, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi Ben,
Thanks for the feedback, I'll take a look into it. Hopefully I and my fellow editors will be to work hard enough to raise the article to FA standards. :)
-Cheers, Mailer Diablo 15:23, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Saturday Night Special

On 22 March, you removed a paragraph from the Saturday night special article, and then put an NPOV notice on it. I have since replaced the paragraph, along with a link to the US DOJ statistics supporting the facts in that paragraph (a copy of the relevant stats may be found on the talk page). Do you have any other specific NPOV complaints? I know the topic of the article is by nature a biased one--the term is a perfect example of newspeak, judgemental rather than descriptive (maybe I should stick a link in the newspeak article?). I'd like to make the article as neutral as possible, and I'd appreciate any help in doing so. scot 04:01, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

I appreciate your comment. Adam 05:27, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your support

Thank you for voting on my RFA. Have some pie! I was pleasantly surprised by the sheer number of supporters (including several people that usually disagree with my opinion). I shall do my best with the proverbial mop. Yours, Radiant_>|< 08:14, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Geography of India

I've added all the imperial units to the page. Expecting your support in FAC. Regards,  =Nichalp (Talk)= 08:42, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kerry documents

Thanks for your note. Kerry's execution of this form hadn't come to my attention. That's not surprising, because I regarded the whole thing as a contrived controversy from the beginning, anyway. I added the relevant material to the articles on John Kerry military service controversy and the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth. The main John Kerry article has only a brief summary of the controversy, with a link to the daughter article, so I didn't include the SF-180 there. JamesMLane 09:42, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hyphens

On the George W. Bush article and elsewhere, I've been using "re-election" instead of "reelection". There's been some desultory discussion about whether to address this point in the MoS (see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style archive (punctuation)#Hyphens and Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#What about hyphens?), with no action yet. In the meantime, the AP Style Guide says to hyphenate, and I just ran searches on both Google and Yahoo! and found the hyphenated form getting significantly more hits on both. The rule I was taught is that a prefixed word should be hyphenated if the addition of the prefix creates a vowel combination that usually represents a single phoneme. Thus, "re-election" is hyphenated because "ee" often appears as representing a single long "e", but "reopen" doesn't need the hyphen because "eo" has no such role. Some people might make an exception for words that are very familiar in their prefixed form, like "cooperate", and one could argue that that exception would also include "reelection", but I don't think it's that common. (As a side note, our article on Diaeresis notes that this mark is sometimes used in similar words, with the example of "reënact", but that this usage is rare in English.) My bottom line is that, to my eye, "reelection" causes the reader to pause for a fraction of a second to note that, although the word begins with "reel", it's not pronounced like "reel". It's not a big deal, but I think the hyphen makes the word slightly easier to read. In your recent edits, the question of whether to mention Bush's role as Rangers GM is obviously more important, so that's what I mentioned in the edit summary, but I wanted to let you know my reasoning on the hyphen question. JamesMLane 17:31, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hi. Thanks for protecting the Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen article again. I had started a discussion in the Village Pump concerning Michael Snow's unprotecting the article untimely. If you wish to, take a look. Regards, Redux 04:26, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] OldRight's response

Dude, I don't know what your beef is. All I try to do is add usefull editions to articles to make them more specific. Isn't that what Wikipedia's all about, an online encyclopedia. Encyclopedia's are suppose to be thorough and specific. That's not POV or based on any political bias. Sorry to say but you've got a completely wrong opinion of me. And if leaving an edit summary is a requirement then I'll try to do that from now on. Sheesh! -- OldRight 01:29, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Political Figures

You've got your name down on the list of members as being interested here - alas, not a whole lot has been happening. Are you still interested? I'd really like to make an effort at getting this going once and for all. Ambi 13:21, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] UK COTW: Welsh people

Hey, just to let you know that an article you voted for - Welsh people - has been chosen as the UK COTW. -- Cheers, Joolz 18:46, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] COTW Project

You voted for High Middle Ages, this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article.

[edit] Spelling of "quarelled"

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English. Gdr 20:55, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)

[edit] Condescension

See Wikipedia:Assume good faith. Gdr 21:01, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)

[edit] I Would Like Your Opinion

When I wrote The military history of Puerto Rico, I mentioned two Puerto Rican pirates and I went into some detail about one Miguel Enriques but, I forgot to write more about Roberto Cofresi, which is the better known of the two. Today, I made up for that and I included him. I would like you to take a look and tell me what you think since I value your opinion very much. You can look here: [1], Thank You, Marine 69-71 02:15, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your rename

You did not ask for people's opinion before you renamed "Qur'an desecration by US military" to "Qur'an desecration controversy of 2005". I don't agree with your move. But before you are involved in the argument, please fix the double and triple redirects (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Qur%27an_desecration_controversy_of_2005). -- Toytoy 05:58, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Never mind. I cleaned up the mess. Now let me show you what you have done:
These are tha double redirect pages and the pages that link to them. It's been more than 12 hours since your rename, you still did not clean them up. Thanks for listening anyway. -- Toytoy 18:40, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
  • Allegations of Qur'an desecration at Guantanemo Bay (redirect page)
    • Talk:Qur'an desecration controversy of 2005/Archive1
  • Newsweek desecration controversy (redirect page)
    • Talk:Qur'an desecration controversy of 2005/Archive1
  • Koran desecration controversy (redirect page)
    • Talk:United States
    • Talk:United States/Archive 6
    • Talk:Qur'an desecration controversy of 2005/Archive1
  • Koran desecration controversy of 2005 (redirect page)
    • User:Ed Poor/Koran
  • Guantánamo Bay Qur'an desecration allegations (redirect page)
    • Template talk:In the news
    • Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates
    • Current events
    • May 2005
    • Bagram torture and prisoner abuse
    • Talk:Allegations of Qur'an desecration
    • User:Hemanshu/Tomorrow's main page
    • Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates/Archive 3
    • Talk:Qur'an desecration controversy of 2005/Archive1
  • Desecration of the Qur'an at Guantánamo Bay (redirect page)
    • Guantanamo Bay
    • Orson Scott Card
    • Camp X-Ray
    • Unlawful combatant
    • Newsweek
    • Interrogation
    • Persecution of Muslims
    • Template talk:In the news
    • Human rights in post-Saddam Hussein Iraq
    • Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse
    • User:Tim Ivorson
    • User:Tao Ching
    • May 2005
    • Impeach Bush campaign
    • Human Rights Record of the United States
    • Michael Isikoff
    • Image:Koran desecration protests 1.jpg
    • Image:Koran desecration protests 2.jpg
  • Allegations of Qur'an desecration at Guantánamo Bay (redirect page)
    • Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee
    • Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Log/Yesterday
    • Wikipedia:Votes for deletion (long form)
    • Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Log/2005 June 14
    • Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Qur'an desecration at Guantánamo Bay
  • Qur'an desecration by US guards (redirect page)
    • Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee
    • Talk:Qur'an desecration
    • Qur'an desecration by US detainees
    • Talk:Qur'an desecration controversy of 2005/Archive1

Sorry, I did not notice that you've been so busy during that period.

(Time zone set to UTC)

  • 18:41, Jun 15, 2005 (hist) (diff) Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Qur'an desecration by US detainees (top)
  • 07:23, Jun 15, 2005 (hist) (diff) User talk:Center-for-Medieval-Studies
  • 07:16, Jun 15, 2005 (hist) (diff) m Category:Roman Empire (la:Categoria:Imperium Romanum) (top)
  • 07:14, Jun 15, 2005 (hist) (diff) m Centurion (Roman army) (top)
  • 07:13, Jun 15, 2005 (hist) (diff) Centurion (Roman army) (Cleanup, copyedit.)
  • 07:11, Jun 15, 2005 (hist) (New) m NCOs (#REDIRECT Non-commissioned officer) (top)
  • 06:44, Jun 15, 2005 (hist) (diff) m McMartin preschool (→Media coverage) (top)
  • 06:44, Jun 15, 2005 (hist) (diff) m McMartin preschool (→The Trial)
  • 06:39, Jun 15, 2005 (hist) (diff) Arco (top)
  • 06:32, Jun 15, 2005 (hist) (diff) User talk:Marine 69-71 (→Puerto Rico) (top)

Keep on your good job. -- Toytoy 18:46, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

I actually agree with ToyToy, in part. The gitmo team objects to (1) the number and swiftness of the series of page re-titlings, as well as (2) the inclusion of "desecration done by the detainees themselves". I think ToyToy is right about #1, and on Ta Bu Shi Da Yu's advice I'm avoiding any edits, moves, etc. to the articles in question.
But a merge with Qur'an desecration by US detainees is in order, I think - unless Qur'an desecration controversy is intended to mean ony the controversy about US military desecration: in which case we'd need a side bar article for desecration by the detainees themselves.
And then where do mention the relationship between detainee desecration and US military desecration - or the possibility (raised by the Washington Post) that detainee descration was mistaken for US military desecration by Newsweek's anonymous source?
Anyway, I'm staying out of this until informed that the roads are clear again. Cheers. -- Uncle Ed (talk) 11:47, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion

Please, would you consider instead of "boldly" renaming articles, in the future, giving at least a day's worth of discussion to such renamings on the relevant TALK pages? Having looked through your edit history, I see that my gripe about Judæo-X -> Judeo-X is not an isolated incidence of this propensity of yours. Please keep in mind that the WP project operates via consensus, and that while you are an admin, as such you can gather enemies who may someday be your equals. I'm not saying I regard you as an adversary, but I do regard your undiscussed lack-of-consensus "bold" movement of articles as possibly adversarial, and in some cases I've seen upon review, very adversarial. Try to remember, your status as an admin doesn't make you a better wikipedian, it merely gives you more privileges. Tomer TALK 09:27, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Did you mean our case above is not the only one? -- Toytoy 12:08, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Far from it...in fact it seems to be this editor in question's favorite passtime. Tomer TALK 19:10, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Why did you rename the Qur'an article without discussion?

Curious, BrandonYusufToropov 13:15, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Hi Neutrality, I know this is rather overdue, but I wanted to thank you for supporting me on my RFA. Thanks to everyone who supported me, I am now an admin, and I have used my powers to help further Wikipedia. Thanks! Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 23:53, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)