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[edit] March 2008

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We have strict policies to ensure that what articles say is verifiable. There are no conspiracy theories that are supported by reliable sources that have scientific consensus or are accepted by relevant experts, and therefore they are not verifiable. Some of our policies you might want to read are WP:Verifiability, WP:No Original Research, WP:Synthesis, and WP:Fringe theories. Your comment was reverted because it did not seek to improve the article. You were merely stating your opinion, which is not what talk pages are for. Thanks. Okiefromokla questions? 16:20, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome to suggest inclusions to the article on the article's talk page. Before you do, I strongly suggest you read Wikipedia's policy on verifiability of facts, because only reliable sources, as defined there, are allowed. If you present sources that do not meet this standard (blogs, conspiracy theory websites, etc), your comment could be removed or dismissed. Note that Wikipedia's policy on banning original research mandates that any conclusion put forth in an article must be made by a reliable source and that conclusions made by Wikipedia itself based on a collection of facts are not allowed. Other than that, have at it :) Thanks. Okiefromokla questions? 01:32, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your help and honesty. :) Neurolanis (talk) 15:25, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] head in the sand

Y'Have any ideas how to help people get their head out of the sand?  — Xiutwel ♫☺♥♪ (speech has the power to bind the absolute) 22:49, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

The important thing here is information, the facts. Neurolanis (talk) 22:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC) ".
Where are they ..the facts. Hey that's me 10:53, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
That's a good question. There are many small facts that suggest certain things, but no facts in regards to who was behind 9-11, how and why. Or not at this time. The people are lied to left and right, from politicians, media figures, and even by those who step forward and claim to have the truth. Getting to the bottom of 'the truth' of this world requires more than a good mind and a true heart, and more than time and energy, it takes great luck; great because no one to my knowledge has found it. But the fact remains that there are many things about the official account of 9-11 that don't add up, and many people are simply looking for answers to those questions, while others are claiming to have found the definitive proof they need to explain who, what and why. I don't have the answers, I'm just one of those curious people who have questions to ask. But the government and media have been secretive to the point of treacherous regarding these questions, to the point of calling anyone a "conspiracy nut" for asking a question like, "Why is it that although at the time hundreds of citizens and firemen ran out of the Twin Towers saying they heard explosions shortly before they collapsed, and reporters not only reported this (live) but some of them reported hearing them themselves, now do they deny that there ever were explosions?" That is a valid question and deserves a valid answer. Like, “How did the buildings pancake down at near free-fall speed?” (In other words, they didn’t really pancake down so what really happened and why were we lied to?) People simply want questions answered, and the government and mainstream media are doing everything in their power to avoid answering them. It doesn't make them look good, especially in the face of conspiracy theories. People should be careful to believe in outlandish claims, but at the same time they should be curious and keep asking the important questions until they get honest answers. If they don't, and it doesn't look they will, then people should do their own investigative work to find the answers, including, “Why won't they simply answer the questions?” Neurolanis (talk) 20:07, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
I have some theories on psychology... A lot of people prefer pseudo-certainty to uncertainty. In fact, this psychological phenomenon has been offered to explain the existence and popularity of 911-conspiracy theories. Well, why would it not work the other way around? With several familiy members I noticed this pattern, when confronted with facts which are anomalous:
  1. disbelief, laughter
  2. (when more details are added) interest/curiosity, excitement, dispair/disgust
  3. (when a "harmless" explanation for the anomalies is found or offered) relief, rejection
  4. (when further evidence is presented) irritability, disbelief, changing subject.
My conclusion is that psychological self-defense mechanisms are setting up a denial-mental filtering system (stage 4). The clue is the shift from interest to irratability (2 -> 4). A solution seems to first take away the fear, and thus the need for denial. Presenting ever more convincing facts would heighten the fear, the cognitive dissonance, and therefore the filtering and the denial. Evidence is not merely unproductive, it is counter-productive. But: how to alleviate fear? I have little clue. The best thing is, not to fear yourself, I guess.  — Xiutwel ♫☺♥♪ (speech has the power to bind the absolute) 02:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Well said. I agree with you on the reactions, I've noticed the exact same thing. I've also noticed, being self-aware and forthcoming about this, that when I first open my mouth to start speaking about this there is a change in me mentally in the social sense, it's almost like a subtle shield goes up with an expectation of negative reaction, and pushing me to be brave is my need for acceptance of the evidence. I feel that on some intuitive level both of these are perceived by the listener and that likely affects their judgement, so you're right in that we need to be fearless ourselves in discussing these subjects (I remember the old saying that fear creates fear.) The thing is, this subject is associated with a rebellious state of mind, and I'm not sure why; listing important facts or asking important questions is a very Human thing to do and is not rebellious. I think we have all been raised since childhood, often by parents and always by teachers and the media, to react a certain way to certain things. To quote David Icke, "We have out-sheeped the sheep, because sheep need sheep dogs to keep them in line and we keep each other in line." That is true, because any sign of individuality is met with comical, cold or downright hateful reaction; we're all supposed to praise the pack mentality and condemn individuality. Therefore, this is a deep psychological issue (why "the truth is so hard.") People are wrapped up in this warm cocoon and they don't want to be exposed to harsh reality. You will find that those of us who can easily accept the truth have already discovered our individual strength, unlike the majority who haven't and can't accept it. Thus the issue of accepting the truth has more to do with emotion and individual growth than evidence, you're right.

When did individual thinking become condemned? There is something to be said for supporting and protecting individual thought and strength in general at this time. But this isn't at all easy of course. How does one defy the social laws which are designed against the individual without losing social acceptance? If people lose all respect for you, you'd might as well just talk to the wall. I'm thinking that many of us need to work together, even if just in the sense that we support each other's efforts. In the end this is a huge undertaking though, isn't it? To try to change the state of mind that the general public holds onto for dear life. It sounds too massive of an aim. Religion, politics, schools, psychology and even science I believe play a part in keeping us in a state of dependence. I'm not sure it can get better before it gets worse. Neurolanis (talk) 17:57, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why not

Why don't you start making that book of yours about how 9/11 was executed by the NWO and then well see if your'e right. Please use your user page. CTD Mark I (talk) 22:15, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

What book? Neurolanis (talk) 22:49, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Sometime ago when you edited 9/11 attacks you said that you'd have to write a book to list all the evidence that NWO arranged the attacks, I dont think theres any restrictions about how to use your userpage. (I might be wrong but if you write it it'll still stay in the page history.) I won't bother going through the page history again. CTD 09:50, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


Oh that's alright, forgot about that remark. Yeah I could but books have already been published, websites are already out there and people are already lecturing about or discussing these facts. I have nothing to add. And like I just posted above, I don't have the answers. I'm no different than a lot of people out there who are just looking at lots of little facts that don't fit in with the official take and feel like there are many questions which deserve to be answered. Like the Laden family being taken out of the country to protect them, when you'd think they'd be questioned about Bin Laden (but I know, they're rich.) Like people who were warned about flying to NYC during 9-11. Like Condoleezza Rice being warned of an impending attack by then-CIA Director George J. Tenet. Like Bush stating that he had seen the first plane strike and assumed it was merely bad piloting, despite the fact no known footage of the first plane hitting exists (that the public knows about.) Like lies about the tower designs. Like a man captured by the Canadian secret service who in trying to convince them that he was a CIA agent told them of an impending strike on the Twin Towers, a week or so before 9-11. Like the fact that conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones had been preaching about a conspiracy to merge the world into a new order long before 9-11, and he himself had predicted such an event would happen shortly before it did (or did he know something?) Like the 'plane' that hit the Pentagon and managed to hit the one section that was under reconstruction, and managed to do very little damage, and that managed a manoeuvre to be in the position to land where it had that experts say was impossible. Like footage recently released of that 'plane' with an object doesn't resemble a plane but a much smaller object. Like the missing wreckage in the other one, and yet one of the terrorists' ID cards found in good condition! Like a 'terrorist' who left his briefcase at the airport which contained a suicide letter which just so happened to be left behind by security (who would take a suicide letter onto a plane that was going to be destroyed?) Like the accused terrorists who were still alive after 9-11. Like why there just so happened to be a training exercise that very day which confused airline security (just as there was a transit bombing exercise in London before the bombs went off.) Like the lack of evidence proving that there is a real terrorist threat. Like the government's refusal to release any such evidence or to answer these important questions. And there is a lot more yet, and I bet a lot more to come out.

It's just too tiring. It's tiring to think about, tiring to talk about, and tiring to argue for over and over. How does a person compete with the political system, secret service and mainstream media? It's in his own best, albeit selfish, interest to just keep it to himself. And maybe that's what I'll do. I just hope these questions get answered before it drives me crazy. Neurolanis (talk) 20:35, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Hang on, whats your point with the suicide letter Like a 'terrorist' who left his briefcase at the airport which contained a suicide letter which just so happened to be left behind by security... actually whats weird about that? Hey that's me 15:01, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Everything. Pilots who were considered horrible by their trainers managing to pull off what they did to expert precision ... and yes the suicide letter brought with him, and the brieface 'accidently' forgotten by security, it does look suspicious. But it's a minor point. The visual evidence, expert findings and witness accounts of things are all much more important than little pieces like that of course. I just mentioned it because it popped in my head. Neurolanis (talk) 19:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Re

Okay, Laden family if you think they werent questioned or investigated before let out of the country your'e nuts and it was propably a trick to try lure Osama out of hide. Besides if they would have known that Osama was about to do four massive terrorist strikes why would they have been in the US in the first place? Flying to NYC well if I'd have to execute the worlds most greatest terrorist strikes I would select planes about to fly a long distance so it would have lots of fuel in it to burn as they did. The first plane hit thingy there is footage of the first plane hitting (look youtube) or if you were referring to that it wasn't shown on tv when he claimed to have seen the clip he is the president of the most powerful country in the world so the speed that he got a hold of the videos would be much grater than how fast the tv channels received the footage and were ready to show it. (He is also G. W. Bush) What lies about the tower design the hits took out the cores of the buildings so they were poorly supported from the top and when you have 24,000 gal. of fuel burning it's pretty damn hot so the steel started to bend. If you are going to bend a world in to your control you dont start killing people. That Pentagon hit thing is possible if they crashed the plane before crashing in to the building as they did (poor piloting) And they did damage to the E, C and D rings killing a 189 people. Maybe they selected days on wich there were exercises to confuse people. And oh, the warnings weren't taken seriously see that document about what led to 9/11 by the 9/11 comission. To find new York With such an advanced plane isn't hard. (GPS) or to fly a plane in to a huge tower (there are other hard things than flying to why being an airline pilot is so tough(just ask if you want to know(No I'm not one but I still know))) Hey that's me 16:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Your questions are the same as mine. It doesn't make sense, that's why we need answers. No most of the fuel was released within seconds, then an hour of smouldering fire. And 9-11 saw the first three fire-proofed steel structures in history to collapse due to fire? And straight down, perfect demolitions. You clearly have trouble accepting that things aren't as they seem, and you certainly aren't alone. But it's up to you to decide whether to look into this subject with an open mind, or not. There are many facts here, and they don't add up, and that's why people are asking questions. There are powerful people in this world who don't give a damn about you, or even millions of people. They do whatever fills their pockets or grants them stronger connections. Hard for sane people like us to grasp, but it is true. I was once naive like you. I don't really know what to say, only that the truth can break your heart. Not that there aren't a lot of good people out there (like say, those fighting for the truth.) Neurolanis (talk) 21:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Crhm... I searched answers, those weren't questions. Anyways, jet fuel burns quite slow and at max at 980c° I'll just talk of one building (easier to explain) if the structures were ment to support the building at 20° I think that by the time it reached 500° the steel would have been quite bendy under that sort of pressure. And the crashes wiped out the center structures of the buildings so there was only around 50-75% support for the top part. Heat up some remaining 25% and you have a turn for the worse. :(

Hey that's me 23:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article you wrote on Gregory Alan Burhoe may be conflict of interest

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Also, you might want to be more cautious using language such as to CTD Mark I above, such as "I was once naive like you" and "You clearly have trouble accepting", since that doesn't invite open discussion.

24.130.128.47 (talk) 19:58, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

What is your problem with me? Don't you have better things to do? People have said harsh things towards me here and I do watch my wording in responding to theirs. Sorry that THAT also displeases you. Neurolanis (talk) 22:05, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks for the advice. Neurolanis (talk) 16:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

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