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[edit] Non Encyclopedic?

This reads more like a press release than an encyclopedia article. Also, the CNN link does not work. -RomeW 19:17, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

On the contrary...it takes some real balls to write an article like this.(unsigned comment)

I did a minor rewrite to try and make this read less like a press release. One question I think would be of interest to dog lovers is whether or not a Show dog can be neatured and still be shown so long as he has implant. Anyone know? I believe that male dogs have to be intact. Lisapollison 05:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

This still doesn't ready much like an encyclopedia entry. To be honest, it reads more like a parody of a press release. The "tough cheese" comment from the product creator only adds to that perception. After reading the comments from the creator below (warning editors to keep their hands off of his copy), I'm convinced we need a little more balance here. Is neutering really traumatic for pets? Has this trauma been proven? If so, can whoever made this claim reference some studies? Vidablue 21:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I am not aware of any scientific studies that could qualify some of the more emotional arguments in favor of using Neuticles for a pet but I did include in the article, a cited quote from a Vet who stated that for every 200 dogs he fixed, he'd get at least 1 request for prostethics. So clearly some pet owners find the process traumatic enoughthat they want to restore at least the image of a pre-neutered pet through the use of implants. Perhaps we can beef up that aspect of the article by looking for articles on reasons people refuse to neuter their pets or reasons people are reluctant to neuter their pets and see if appearance is even on the list.

When I began trying to make this article more enyclopedic, I ran into some resistance from the inventor who is by nature, a humorous and light-hearted fellow. I realize from his posts here, he may come off differently but his media appearances and quotes often reflect his rather upbeat, "If there's a problem, well let's fix it" approach to inventing new medical devices for pets. Even the press releases from his company are written in the same tone. For example, he is thrilled with his Ig Nobel Prize for Neuticles and mentions it frequently in company literature. Some recipients of the parody prize aren't quite so gracious about being chosen. Keep in mind, I've not met Greg and I'm not trying to steer this article towards keeping it's present tone. I'm merely trying to explain that when you quote the inventor and his companies press releases, he tends to be funny because that's just the way he is. In trying to find quotes from newspapers or other media to back up the asserted facts, I always find similarly funny statements such as the "tough cheese" comment.

Finally, I'd love to have some help with this article and welcome any and all improvements. I am especially interested in formatting the article with a table of contents covering the inspiration for the product, it's invention and distribution, the reasons pet owners are motivated to seek the product and what animal spay/neuter activists say either yay or nay on the issue. Those are some areas where we can help round things out a bit.LiPollis (talk) 10:53, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Potential Copyright issues

I am just a recent editor of this article. it appears that whoever first wrote it copied much of their info and statements from the Neuticles website. it is possible that the original editor was/is the creator of neuticles himself. I deleted some outight boosterism of the product and tried to add citations for the facts asserted. if another editor has issues with the text, I suggest that you be bold! and rewrite the text appropriately rather than delete text.LiPollis 12:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Material from the Neuticles entry is not copyrighted and may be used without permission. Lisapollison- you have no idea what you are talking about when rewriting this copy. You are anyhting but an authority on this so leave the copy alone. I am the inventor of Neuticles and do consider myself an authority on its contents. What you deleted as "boosterism" is pure facts. Just keep your twisted little fingers off the keyboard. Thanks! (this unsigned message was left by Neuticles (Talk | contribs) 19:14, 29 June 2007 }

Greg, personal atacks are innapropriate. Also, it would help other editors following you if you would sign your edits on talk pages with four tildas {~'s}. Doing so puts a date and time stamp on your comments and includes your ISP. if you register with wikipedia and sign in, it leaves your username as well! Please consider registering. Wikipedia is different from other online sites in that it is an encyclopedia. As such, material added is required to meet certain standards. In addtion, material that appears to be copied from other sources is subject to deletion without notice which is why I asked you to give permission here for the use of text from your website. however, since you did not sign your post, anyone could have left that message. This is a legal issue and not a personal one. My concern is to m ake sure ALL info that you want in the article can stay in the article if it meets the standards of an encylopedia. Facts mst be sourced and referenced. Facts asserted that are not referenced are again, subject to deletion by any editor passing through. I went to a great deal of trouble a while to help rewrite this article and fix some of the formatting so that it would not be deleted as "Non-Notable". I am NOT the enemy. You recently added some material to the article which was already IN the article a couple of paragraphs above where you inserted it. I deleted it because it was repetative. That was not a hostile act. Wikipedia also does not allow self-promotion and some of your edits might be seen as such. Therefore I encourage you to leave me a message on my talk page whenever there is significant Neuticles news and leave me the URls of the news stories or facts and figures. I would be more than happy to then add such info to the article.

Useful links for you:

• WP:VERIFY Info has to be verifiable to be included (About sourcing)
• WP:COI about conflicts of interest in editing: "COI editing involves contributing to Wikipedia in order to promote yourself or the interests of other individuals, companies, or groups."
• WP:NPS - issues of using copyrighted sources or copying from primary sources (such as a company's website)
• WP:CIV Be civil

I too am a doggie parent and I recently lost a male dog who was neutered. Had he lived and been in better health, I might even have ordered a pair of Neuticles for him! I am not the enemy, Greg. I also didn't make the rules.LiPollis 21:19, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Additions to article

I made some additions to the article just now to include some facts and.or statements about Neuticles that can be suported by references from other than the manufacturer's website. I feel this helps document their popularity. I also found one endorsement from a Spay/neuter organization and included that. I have been unable to find the APSCA's endorsement despite searching for it. I would like to include a link to their site or any of their publications so that the endorsement can be verified and documented. I don't doubt that it exists, I just would like to include it so that other editors don't come by and delete it as an unverifiable statement.LiPollis 22:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

The Veterinary Council of Ireland has determined that the use of such implants is not in the best interests of the welfare of the dog and their use is considered to be unethical. [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by JJames9797 (talk • contribs) 17:04, 18 March 2008 (UTC)