Talk:Neuroptera

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The major resources, including the Tree of Life Project, Wikispecies, and the World Neuropterida Catalog, all treat Megaloptera and Raphidioptera as separate orders. There is no substantial resistance to this classification among neuropterists.Dyanega 17:54, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Woah, but you took out Planipennia and all the families of Neuroptera from the list. I think they need to be put back, otherwise people aren't going to find them without knowing about them first. --Kugamazog 22:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cladogram

I suggest to remove the cladogram, for the following reasons:

  1. it does not add information beyond the list, being very badly resolved and overall dubious
  2. is conflicts with the list - so where do the Psychopsidae go?
  3. Henningian combs are generally unhelpful
  4. it entirely lacks support values or any other measure of its reliability, except the profusion of questionmarks which only serve to show how bad it is
  5. it entirely lacks (this is a code problem) any indication of closeness of taxa, treating them all as equitistant. Bullshit of the highest degree.
  6. most people have trouble reading cladograms, therefore I do not like to use them in Wikipedia - it's a psychological thing, see doi:10.1126/science.1117727. The average layperson is actually more often than not fooled by cladograms into incorrect beliefs about phylogeny.

It would be better to discuss the issues in-text, while noting that neuropterid pyhlogeny is by and large provisional, andf annotating which groups are candidates for being paraphyletic. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 22:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I see. This is the cladogram from ToLweb. But it is from 1995, entirely obsolete. I will remove it and adopt the phylogeny of Haaramo; that is current as of 2008. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 15:13, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

sand —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.229.215 (talk) 22:45, 22 May 2008 (UTC)