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[edit] FYI

I think you have been following the news about the taping of Abu Zubaydah's interrogation, and the subsequent destruction of those tapes.

Something the MSM hasn't noticed, or hasn't touched is that at least one of the Guantanamo captives, Ibrahim Zeidan, testified about images from Abu Zubaydah's interrogation scars being shown to other captives during their own interrogations.

I am going to write a little note about this, in User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/Ibrahim Zeidan reports Abu Zubaydah image used as an interrogation tool. Would you mind offering your opinion?

Thanks! Geo Swan (talk) 23:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the clarification...

on the waterboarding article. I was getting a bit confused myself. Remember (talk) 14:55, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FYI: Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Inertia Tensor

Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Inertia Tensor. Lawrence Cohen 17:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Does this mean I am now talking to myself?:) Anyway, something fishy is going on. Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 17:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
  • FWIW, although we are not big time correspondents, you and hypnosadist and I have worked on some of the same articles for ages. I am 100 percent certain that the two of you are (1) wikipedians who fully comply with WP:CIV and all other wikipedia policies; and (2) are unique individuals.
  • My interactions with Lawrence Cohen are more recent, but I am confident he isn't a sockpuppet of either of you.
  • I have had some left-field accusations of being a sock-puppet. No matter how groundless, they can be annoying. Geo Swan (talk) 22:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Waterboarding arbitration

The problem is, it's an established principle that the Arbitration Committee does not rule on content issues. They can rule on procedures for determining consensus, but they will not give a definitive "right" answer to the content disputes. Most of your proposed principles are issues of substantive content, rather than of Wikipedia policy and procedure.

With regard to the actual substantive points you made, I agree that non-legal and popular opinion should not be given great weight in determining the consensus on a legal issue. However, where we disagree is that I do not believe torture is solely a legal issue, nor do I believe that the position under US and international law should be definitive. With regard to a politically-charged term like torture, I don't believe we should ever try to reach a definitive "correct" answer, as to do so is POV; instead, we should outline the dispute and cite reliable published sources (whether legal, political or psychological) on both sides. It is perfectly acceptable to say that waterboarding is widely considered torture, and that it probably contravenes US and international law relating to torture, but not to say definitively that it is torture. WaltonOne 18:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Just to add to the above. I want to say that, from what I've seen of your work, I highly respect you, and you're clearly an intelligent and well-informed person when it comes to legal issues etc (I say this as an Oxford law student). Our disagreements in the waterboarding arbitration are nothing personal. I note from your userpage that you do have strong views in relation to the Bush administration and its treatment of detainees (just as I have strong political views on certain issues, as you can identify from my userpage). I substantially disagree with you about many political matters (I'm a strong supporter of the death penalty, for instance) but I'm not an uncritical admirer of the Bush administration, and my stance on waterboarding is nothing to do with political views; I'm not trying to promote an agenda or make Wikipedia into some kind of pro-Bush propaganda site. As I said, I have no personal opinion as to whether or not waterboarding is torture. But I just believe that we should represent the controversy in the article without taking one side or the other. WaltonOne 19:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliments. Hopefully you understand that I have no negative feelings towards you. As lomg as people remain civil I more than welcome an opposing opinion. Debate only sharpens the mind and increases our knowledge.
Regarding the waterboarding dispute, it is evident that it revolves around the legalities. Although there are many ways to view a topic, i.e. legal, political, medical, philosophical, ethical, it doubt the current debate is about the metaphysical concept of waterboarding. Clearly, the Bush administration is in very serious trouble the moment waterboarding is torture. We have multiple reasons for assumuing the legalities are the prime reason for instigating this teach the controversy debate.
  1. In 1996 the US adopted the War Crimes Act. This specifically defined the violation of the Geneva Conventions as a war crime.
  2. Following 9/11 Gonzales observed that with the WCA in mind it was possible a future administration would pursue criminal prosecution of individuals for violating the WCA by engaging in certain activities. (I wonder what activities could he mean?)
  3. He opined that removing the GC from the equation would limit the possibility of the previous happening.
  4. Coincidentally the Bush administration then argued that the GC did not apply in the WoT. (Again, I wonder why this happened directly after the comment by G.)
  5. In 2006 the Supreme Court dismissed that notion and stated that all detainees in the WoT are protected by the GC, that is article 3 regarding treatment of detainees.
  6. Immediately following that ruling the Bush administration pushed for the adoption of the Military Commisions Act which could no longer wait.
  7. Coincidentally part of the MCA was retroactively rewriting the WCA in such a way that those people discussed by G, in point 2, would no longer be punishable under US law for what before the adoption of the MCA was considered a war crime.
  8. Then it became known that around the time of the disclosure of secret detention facilities, and consternation surrounding Abu Graib, videos depicting enhanced interrogation techniques miraculously got destroyed depite a court order and legal advise not to do so.(Apparently of all the videos, audioredording, paper files these videos could reveal the identities of CIA agents. Why the CIA was able to prevent disclosure, while not having to destroy videos, audioredording, paper files, in other cases remains a mystrery.)
  9. Then suddenly we have a debate on whether waterboarding is torture. Several key officials have stated they were unable to make such a determination because it would implicate certain individuals and may result in criminal liability.
With the above in mind it is difficult to see why the debate is-is not torture is not a legal one. The above shows a pattern of trying to evad criminal liability for what Gonzales himself has identified as possible war crimes. Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 15:48, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Use of minor edit

Hi Nescio. Did you mean to use the minor edit button when you reverted my deletion of two paragraphs citing BLP concerns? Thanks, Andjam (talk) 00:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Candace Gorman

I saw you contributed to Candace Gorman recently.

Could I ask for your opinion of this set of edits to the article?

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 19:51, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Waterboarding RfM

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[edit] Request for mediation not accepted

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[edit] Your waterboarding reverts

Your reverts here: [1], [2] were unconstructive. The Sosa v. Alvarez-Machain case was already cited properly by the page here: 542 U.S. 692 (2004). I just added a more specificic cite to let you know where the exact quote was here: 542 U.S. 692, 734 (2004). Please refrain from reverting my edits any further. If you revert my edits for a third time I will consider it vandalism. Thanks.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 18:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trying this again

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Waterboarding 2, and indicate whether you agree or disagree to mediation. If you are unfamiliar with mediation on Wikipedia, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. Please note there is a seven-day time limit on all parties responding to the request with their agreement or disagreement to mediation. Thanks, Neutral Good (talk) 02:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Associação Académica de Coimbra

Thanks. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 09:17, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your claims about me

Hi Nescio,

In this edit, you say "Please stop removing sourced material as you were told before by others." and in this edit, you say "Also, you fail to mention your previous attempt at removing sourced material was dismissed by an uninvolved editor".

Can you provide a diff supporting those claims? Andjam (talk) 12:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nescio, I share your convictions about AIDS Reappraisal, BUT...

This edit you made [3] is unconstructive.

Plase, I beg you, let´s try to work on what sources say. Yours Randroide (talk) 20:55, 5 May 2008 (UTC)