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[edit] Merge proposal

Propose to merge Neste into Neste Oil. Articles are very related and currently both articles are stubs. Merging these articles could assist to improve overall coverage of the topic.Beagel 07:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Merge. Seems a reasonable rationale to me. Gr1st 10:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Merger completed.Beagel 18:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Structure

Please follow common structure. First section is usually History followed by current company information and controversy section will be only after that (if the article is not specifically about controversy, which is not the case here). Beagel 10:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Newspapery text

This text has been added again:

Neste has been creating headlines around Europe in November 2007 for its controversial move into using palm oil as a major feedstock in its biofuels.[3] Neste's claim that movements into palm oil diesel will reduce greenhouse gases are refuted by Greenpeace, who claim that the deforestation caused by making way for oil palm plantations is far more damaging for the climate.[4] Swedish filling station chain OKQ8 delayed the launch of its Neste-produced Eco20 biodiesel after protests at the group's headquarters by Greenpeace activists,[5] citing concerns over the sustainability of Neste's palm oil.[6] OKQ8 and Neste have pledged to cooperate on producing biodiesels from alternative feedstocks such as rapeseed oil.[6] On November 30th 2007, Neste announced a plan to build the world's largest biofuel refinery in Singapore by 2010, an investment of €550 million.[3] The refinery will use palm oil as its main raw material.[3] Neste Oil is a member of the Round Table on Sustainable Palm Oil, an inititaive aimed at establishing a sustainability standard for producing palm oil. The company has pledged to use environmentally friendly palm oil, certified by the RSPO, "as soon as possible".[5] The certification process was unveiled in November 2007, however the first certified palm oil will not be produced until the first quarter of 2008.[7]

General remark about this: this is newspaper style: claim, counterclaim, claim. The result is a very confusing paragraph where it is difficult to say what is the ultimate result. It may be exciting to write, but it is a pain to read. A better style should discuss the issues rather than list developments in a timeline format. Second, the errors:

  1. "to create headlines" - journalists do this, not the subjects: "has been a subject of headlines". However, this part is unnecessary (see next).
  2. "controversial move" - Neste hasn't made any move, palm oil has been the planned feedstock from the start. Neste didn't suddenly "move into palm oil" to annoy people. The sentence should be formatted more like "Neste has been criticized by Greenpeace for using palm oil as a major feedstock." It's irrelevant to the subject matter how popular this has been in the news media.
  3. "component" - palm oil is not a component - the diesel does not contain any raw palm oil - but a feedstock. fixed.
  4. "its biofuels" - only in NExBTL diesel. Propane is used at the refinery.
  5. "Neste's claim" - claim in a nonexistent discussion (as far as I know, Greenpeace and Neste haven't had meetings, Greenpeace just suddenly attacked the Neste tanker).
  6. "movements into palm oil diesel" - "movements" appears to be a sveticism or finnicism; switchover is the correct term.
  7. "by environmental groups such as Greenpeace" - what other groups? Implicit astroturfing. fixed.
  8. "who claim that the deforestation caused by making way for oil palm plantations is far more damaging for the climate." - counterclaim. Quotes Greenpeace as is, without editing into a more encyclopedic format. Immediately appears to claim that Neste actually wants to destroy rainforest and damage the climate, but technically NPOV. The habitat destruction problem and the "law of one price" problem with respect to rainforest are not mentioned. The entire sentence would be better written like "According to Greenpeace, rainforest is cut to make way for palm oil plantations, which releases carbon to the atmosphere, endangering the carbon neutrality of the fuel and the habitat of endangered species such as the orangutan."
  9. "Swedish filling station chain OKQ8 delayed the launch of its Neste-produced Eco20 biodiesel after protests at the group's headquarters by Greenpeace activists,[5] citing concerns over the sustainability of Neste's palm oil.[6]" vs. " OKQ8 and Neste have pledged to cooperate on producing biodiesels from alternative feedstocks such as rapeseed oil.[6]" claim - counterclaim. Should be "OKQ8 delayed the launch of Neste diesel until the sustainability of palm oil was ensured from Neste."
  10. "producing biodiesels from alternative feedstocks such as rapeseed oil" - not mentioned that rapeseed has suitability, price and availability problems compared to palm oil (there isn't enough land in Finland to satisfy the corresponding demand if diesel was made from domestic rapeseed oil).
  11. "... an inititaive aimed ..." - "initiative"
  12. "The certification process was unveiled in November 2007, however the first certified palm oil will not be produced until the first quarter of 2008." should be "The certification process was unveiled in November 2007 and the production of certified palm oil starts in the first quarter of 2008." or even just "The production of certified palm oil starts in the beginning of 2008", because the unveiling of the process is a news item, not an encyclopedic fact that is going to be in the article next hundred years.
  13. The fact that currently palm oil is produced for the food industry in an unsustainable, rainforest-destroying manner was removed. It is relevant because Neste is pioneering the production of rainforest-certified palm oil diesel.

This list is here to motivate edits to fix these problems in the text and make it into a neutral, encyclopedic synopsis. --Vuo 13:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

There is no need to correct this anymore - it has been removed and I rewrote a relevant paragraph to NExBTL#Feedstocks. --Vuo (talk) 12:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)