User talk:Nereocystis

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[edit] Arctostaphylos

Hi Nereo - I think if the two are to be merged, it should be at Arctostaphylos, not at Manzanita. There's plenty of other genera, where the genus contains plants with different common names, where the wikipedia page is at the scientific name, not one of the common names. Thanks for adding the subgenera & section details, that's very useful. - MPF 22:51, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I prefer merging at Arctostaphylos as well. However, whenever I add a new binomial species, someone moves it to a common name, no matter how uncommon the name really is. User:nereocystis

[edit] Hdl

I went ahead and deleted this redirect, but only because you asked, and nobody disagreed. If it was up to me, I would have left if, because clearly someone looked up "Hdl", found nothing there, and started to create an article - which is #2 on the list of reasons to keep a redirect. If it get recreated again, I will definitely keep it. Noel (talk) 12:58, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement

I've left a similar message at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Latter_Day_Saint_movement#Votes_resulting_from_comment_on_talk_pages. The comments you left on item you voted on make me think the reccommendation is poorlyl worded. We are referring ONLY to the massive amounts of "lds.org"-related and "helpingmormons.com"-related links that deal very little with the topic on the said page. For example, there are scores of links at Mormon and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint that are duplicative pointing people to LDS.org, BYU or some anti-site - most are found on both pages. The "official" church links should be at the Church page, not at Mormon, since it is about Mormon and which sects claim to be "Mormons." See what we're saying? If there is specific Book of Abraham links, of course they should be at that page, but www.BYU.com; lds.org or www.ihatemormons.com should not be on those pages. What you are thinking is the following recommendation about a link page - that ha opposing votes and will likely fail (thank goodness!). You may want to move your vote down to that section. -Visorstuff 21:07, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Polygamy

Hi, just wondering if you're still planning on making edits to that article soon? Dan100 17:49, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

Soon. I hope very soon. Weekends have been busy for me lately. I hope to do 1 or 2 a day for a while. I admit that I'm a bit gunshy, and sort of expect reversions in a few days. Nereocystis 21:13, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I don't think you'll be reverted. Everything seems quiet at the moment! Dan100 18:59, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Prophecies of Joseph Smith

Your comments on the page today could be answered by reading the recent edits over the last few days. It was the concensus that attempting an article entitled "Joseph Smith as a prophet" was not appropriate for a Wiki article. It's title only invited POV edits. The title was changed to the current title, "Prophecies of Joseph Smith". You will read that a decision has not be finalized on whether it should just be list of his prophecies and leave it up to the reader to decide validity or to insert pro and con commentary. I personally lean to just state the facts and leave the commentary and decision making to the reader, but I have not made a final decision. The article as it now stands if still very much in a "drafting" situation. Your input is sought, but I am not sure your most recent edits were the result of having read all the recent edits and decisions or simply not being involved in the recent decisions. It's not final so feel free to come back and discuss your concerns. Storm Rider 8 July 2005 21:24 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-Mormon discussion

I left you a response on my talk page to your post. Thank-you for being a part of the WP:LDS. It is refreshing to have a fourth school of thought on Mormon history represented and does help in keeping us more neutral. Keep up the good work - your edits are much needed.

Also, realize that most of us don't consider disagreement anti-Mormon, we consider public attacks anti-mormon. To me a big difference. People who are not Jewish are not Anti-Semetic. People who publicly say Jews are going to hell are. People who are not Mormon and who disagree are not anti-mormon, but those who wave garments at temple square or say all Mormons are doomed to hell are. Thanks. -Visorstuff 22:09, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Am I heading in the right direction on Anti-Mormonism/Rewrite?

[edit] RFC

"Please note: If you did not try and fail to resolve the dispute, but agree with the summary's presentation of events, please sign in the next section. Please notify the user, via his talk page, that a conduct dispute has been raised." This is the reason that I haven't signed the "Users certifying the basis for this dispute" section. Have you put a message on the talk pages of people who are/were involved with this to get their endorsement? Kewp 06:36, 30 August 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Talk:Polygamy

Could you clean up your last edit on Talk:Polygamy? Somehow, it looks like the page got duplicated or something, and I don't want to accidentally delete your post in cleaning it up. Thanks, dude! - Dunkelza 18:39 August 31, 2005 (EDT)

[edit] Your take on the polygamy dispute

Hello.

I've agreed to advocate for Researcher99 regarding the polygamy dispute. I've read through the large amount of discussion on the relevant talk pages and RFC. Researcher99 insists that the dispute resolution must return to the state it was in before Uriah923 began mediating in order to comply with Wikipedia policy (although the particular policy of maintaining the status quo on articles while in dispute is only a guideline, and this far into the dispute it may no longer make sense to revert the article back to April). I am interested in hearing your opinion of the dispute and of Researcher99's resolution proposal in order to help reach a compromise on the approach to resolution. I also proposed getting at least the two of you together in an IRC chat to discuss each other's grievances in the presence of an advocate, but Researcher99 did not directly answer the question of whether he is willing to try that. Would you agree to a chat? Do you believe that it would be worthwhile?

Thanks.

Metasquares 17:19, 1 September 2005 (UTC)


[edit] hello

I hope it didn't sound mean when I said "did you make a mistake?" about the Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Religion on the talk:polygamy page, I just didn't know enough about it to add it myself. Anyways, I guess my larger problem is that I am very interested in contributing to this article, but as I expressed on the talk page it's hard to get involved because this issue has been going on for so long. I'm just not sure what is appropriate, especially now that there is a mediation type thing going on between you and Researcher99. Anyways, just wanted to clarify my position. Best, Kewp 14:05, 5 September 2005 (UTC)Kewp

Well apparently I talk to myself since apparently we are the same person, according to Researcher99 [1] well, I'm at a loss for words.Kewp 20:57, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] About Polygamy dispute

I'm writing here for keeping Talk:Polygamy in some order. As Researcher is back from his Wikibreak, I'll ask him about the mediation and his opinion. --Neigel von Teighen 23:31, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Mediation

I've began a request for mediation between Researcher and you. You can see it in Wikipedia:Requests for Mediation and should answer it with your opinion about doing the mediation no matter if you want or not to do it. --Neigel von Teighen 23:19, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Researcher, talk pages, mediation, etc.

Hi! I saw your message for me.

I also want to get this into mediation to resolve this dispute. We must do it quickly or I actually don't know what to do for doing this in a civil manner. It's really funny that we cannot do our mediation only because there's no mediator (I hope you saw the message MacGyverMagic sent me on that matter) though Researcher and you do want to do it! It's curious how sometimes mediators "vandalize" these processes.

And on vandalism, how could Researcher say that a mediation would be vandalism? He's now who wants it. --Neigel von Teighen 22:06, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation accepted

Hello, I have assigned User:Andrevan to the mediation filed. I am waiting for his reply, but please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation#.5B.5BUser:Researcher99.5D.5D_in_dispute_with_.5B.5BUser:Nereocystis.5D.5D_and_others. Thanks, Redwolf24 (talk) 00:59, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration request

I have performed a WP:RfAr against you because of the Polygamy affair. Please, take a look at it. --Neigel von Teighen 23:16, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello, I see that there has been an RfAr filed against you, I guess they beat you to the punch. One of Imaglang's items for "preliminary evidence" was a comment that I made on the RFC [2] about Researcher99's "rapist and terrorist" comment. I put a comment on Imaglang's talk page [3] to the effect that any change that I made to the RFC should not be listed under evidence against you. Anyways, I would be glad to give any assistance that you might need in dealing with this RfAr. thanks. --Kewp (t) 04:52, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Nereocystis, I agree, what I meant was that Imaglang seemed to be using my comment (which was a complaint against Researcher99) as evidence against you, as if somehow my actions were somehow related to yours. He lists my comment under this heading--"abuses performed by Nereocystis as it can be shown by the list of diffs at the bottom of the statement." Maybe they're trying the sockpuppet line again. Anyways, Imaglang/Researcher99's entire RfAr is ridiculous and unfounded; none of your posts listed by Imaglang, or in fact any of the posts that I've seen, have been uncivil or abusive. Best of luck to you, Kewp (t) 15:05, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
I suspect you're right. The sockpuppet theme has come up many times over the last few months. If sockpuppetry is a discussion point of the arbitration, I would like to see it stated explicitly. I could prepare a better statement against me than the advocate did. It really is poorly done. Nereocystis 21:26, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Could you please be more careful when editing pages? Your last edit to WP:RFAr resulted in the entire contents of the page being doubled, in addition to whatever edits you were trying to make, and I had to revert it. --Carnildo 07:30, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Sorry. Too much late night editing. Nereocystis 08:03, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
I was looking over the RfAr and I noticed two typos (I think).... You repeat this statement twice--"Researcher99 has been repeatedly abusive toward Researcher99" in both your and imaglang's RfAr. Also you say "Reference # is stated a bit stronger than I usually prefer" without specifying which #. I thought you might want to fix those, sorry If I'm being intrusive. --Kewp (t) 20:03, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing out the errors. I appreciate your help. Nereocystis 21:26, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Another take on the polygamy arbitration

As I mentioned both on the RfAr talk page, Researcher99 did go through the motions of agreeing to mediation. It is essentially true that he refused good-faith mediation, but my wording was more neutral. As I mentioned in the RfC, if the ArbCom accepts the case, then he will have to summarize what he thinks was the abuse and harassment that he claims you have put on him. Since I don't think he knows how to do that, his advocate will have a tedious job looking through months of archived talk pages. One likely outcome is that he may be banned for a while, and you may be given a warning to be civil even to uncivil editors. My sympathies in dealing with this problematical user. Robert McClenon 22:27, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your take on the situation. If he had a good mentor, he might be able to add a lot to polygamy. I had hoped that his advocate would encourage mediation more strongly, and would serve as a de facto mentor. You did suggest a mentor on the RfC. Nereocystis 23:21, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
You're also right that he can't get a 500 word summary. 2300 words, with promises to add more soon. Nereocystis 21:49, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration accepted

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Polygamy has been accepted; it is a merger of the two requests. A brief statement of the case would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Polygamy. Place evidence at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Polygamy/Evidence Fred Bauder 17:30, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Prosecutions for bigamy

Have any wealthy polygamists been prosecuted? Fred Bauder 00:23, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

That's a good question. I think not, at least in the US, in recent decades, though in July, 2005, various members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints were arrested, including the leader, mostly related to sex with under-age girls. See Texas not planning raid to arrest Jeffs for details. While Warren Jeffs is probably relatively powerful for a Mormon fundamentalist, I don't think he is that wealthy. Researcher99 may know. Are there any wealthy polygamists in the US? Nereocystis 18:20, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
Well Warren Jeffs as the head of the FLDS is also in control of the United Effort Plan, which basically means he owns (owned?) most of Colorado City, AZ. It is a church trust "estimated to be worth in excess of $100 million" [4]. Also, his father, Rulon Jeffs is variously described as "a wealthy businessman," see [5] for example. So my thinking is that he is quite wealthy, especially considering the recent construction of the new temple in Eldorado, Texas. Now he's running from the law, so maybe he's not wealthy any more?--211.55.111.101 20:32, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, the above comment by 211.55.111.101 was from me! --Kewp (t) 20:34, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
Good point. If he used the assets to fight the charges, he probably does count as a rich polygamist. Do you know whether he is being charged with polygamy (bigamy, perhaps), or just other charges? Nereocystis 21:03, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
According to the FBI [6], he faces charges for "sexual conduct with a minor" and "conspiracy to commit sexual conduct with a minor," the second charge was for arranging a marriage between a teenage girl and a 28 year old man who was already married. So no, it wasn't technically for bigamy. --Kewp (t) 21:26, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikibreak, starting October 19 - November 9

I will be away from regular Internet access from about Wednesday, October 19, for about 3 weeks, until about November 9, perhaps a bit sooner. It is unlikely that I will be able to respond during that time. Sorry for the delay. Nereocystis 03:51, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm back now, though with many things in life to catch up on, including Wikipedia. Nereocystis 22:51, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Final decision

The arbitration committee has reached a final decision in the Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Polygamy case. →Raul654 02:53, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Polygamy Arbitration

Hello Nereocystis, thanks for your note. I'm glad that I was able to help with the arbitration. I can't believe it's all over... I know what you mean about being out of the mood for editing the polygamy article. I'm on a short wikibreak right now, just having moved back to the United States, but I hope to see you around in a bit!--Kewp (t) 15:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Marriage strike

Whoops, thanks for adding that back in. I didn't mean to remove it when I moved the link from the top to the bottom; must have accidentally selected over the text. Anyway, thanks. —Cleared as filed. 16:46, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

I had a feeling that it was an accident. I reverted a couple other marriage (conflict) changes on polygamy/polygyny. Nereocystis 16:56, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Early life of Joseph Smith, Jr. -- featured status vote

The Early life of Joseph Smith, Jr. article is now up for featured article status. If you get a chance, please vote here. COGDEN 22:50, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject LDS

Hello! I noticed you were on the list of members in the LDS WikiProject, and I was wondering if you were still interested in helping out there. You see, over the past few months, it appears that it has slowly drifted into inactivity. But you CAN help. Please consider doing both of the following:

  1. Take ONE thing form the To-Do list and do it. Once you're done with it, remove it from the list, and from the<>{{Template:LDSprojectbox}}<>, so we know its done. Keep the page on your watchlist. We have a backlog going for more than half a year. Please help to work on it, and remove it.
  2. Vote on the LDSCOTF, and work on it!
  3. Tell your friends (esp. LDS friends, & esp. Wikipedian friends) about this WikiProject, and enocourage them to join (and be active).

Remember: your involvement in this WikiProject is just that - involvement! Please help us out.

(Note: I'm sending this out to everyone who's name was on the membership list, so I will NOT be watching this page for a response. If you want to contact me, do it on MY talk page, please.)

Thanks for all that you do -Trevdna 15:50, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Joseph Smith, Jr.

Hi, I am trying to have this article closely looked at by people who aren't members of the LDS church. If you would not mind looking at the NPOV dispute there, and give your thoughts on whether or not the article needs work in this regard, I would really appreciate it. Thanks bcatt 12:39, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Hello there!

I've been reading some of your discussions and it's nice to know there are other ex-Mormons trying to preserve NPOV on articles re: Mormonism and Ex-/Anti-Mormonsism.Dianelowe 02:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)