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[edit] Nephilim Descended from Elohim

This is not an advertisement from a psychic tarot card reading snake oil vendor, this is an Elohim head sitting on the moon, taken from an Apollo 17 mission video. In the public domain. And that is relevant to the discussion as the Nephilim were descended from the Elohim. Deleting the data will not make it go away. I am sorry you do not like the data, but that won't make it go away either. And as science must contend with the data, you do not serve science by deleting the data from Wikipedia. You merely serve to make Wikipedia irrelevant, when hundreds of thousands of people see this image in places like youtube, and from the Apollo 17 website. Also the other related data which I posted, was not speculation either but actual scientific data. Censoring scientific data is not part of the Wikipedia mindset. I will not bother to repost it, but people may view it in the history if they so wish.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rick S33555 (talk • contribs)

It's just a rock on the moon. And please sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). --Ghostexorcist 10:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Signed as requested Rick S33555 10:26, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

And as far as your opinion goes as for it being just a rock, well thats your opinion and I will fight for you to have your opinion, and I will fight for others to have theirs as well. Censoring the data is not the same as voicing your opinion and NASA is as credible a source as you can get. And there is more data, which you have censored, such as the image of the Anunaki, (see history) and if that is just a natural rock formation, then so is Mount Rushmore. Further and pursuant to all that, show me the tablets.

Rick S33555 10:26, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

It's just a picture of a rock on the moon from a screenshot of a clip from youtube, which is a blacklisted site on wikipedia because it regularly breaks copyright laws. It is not a WP:Reliable Source. Yes, Mount Rushmore is a natural rock formation, the faces carved into it are not. Show you the tablets? --Ghostexorcist 10:32, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Well I personally do not own a satellite, and so as such, cannot show you a satellite image from space, but I can show you coordinates, so that you can go and use google earth, and see this for yourself. 15,10,21,56 S and 75,14,32,12 W at an eye elevation of 14 miles.

That is an Anunnaki, and part of the same discussion, which includes the origin of the Nephilim.

I posted an image, from an Apollo 17 video, I did not post a link to youtube. The image is in the public domain as all NASA footage is in the public domain. Granted, the video did appear there on youtube where I obtained it and fair use dictates I show the source, but the footage is NASA footage.

And my reference to show me the tablets is a common expression because the belief in the 10 commandments is well known, but they do not physically exist. No hard data only hearsay evidence. So it is unfair, to censor actual physical evidence when much of the subject matter in this topic is hearsay evidence. It seems to me that you are taking a biased opinion based on preconceived notions and not allowing others to make up their own minds what the data means. The head there on the moon is a giant head, and as such is one of a few examples of giant heads that may be shown here. So I submit that you should really allow the facts to speak for themselves and not allow your personal opinions to interfere with the honest pursuit of the facts.

As for no published data on this subject you can read Zechariah Sitchin and countless other well documented texts by PhD's in many scientific fields of endeavor. Rick S33555 11:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I say again, it's a screenshot from youtube. It's not reliable. How can anyone read about the "published data" if you don't offer citations? --Ghostexorcist 11:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry for being difficult, but I find it very annoying when the scientific facts are treated with such disrespect. People went to the moon and they brought back evidence such as this and for you to dismiss it as nonsense flies in the face of their heroic effort in mankind's pursuit of the truth.

Here is the screen capture taken just now from one of the videos which depicts the head. http://s2.supload.com/free/VideoandlocationofElohimHead-10-10-2007.jpg/view/ Here is a link to the video. http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/a17v.1652245.rm Here is the page the video is on so you can do your own further research of you wish... I will even narrow it down for you to geology station 6. http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/video17.html#station6

And as far as references to texts are you suggesting that Zecharia Sitchin is not a scholar?

"Zecharia Sitchin was born in Russia and raised in Palestine, where he acquired a profound knowledge of modern and ancient Hebrew, other Semitic and European languages, the Old Testament, and the history and archeology of the Near East. He is one of the few scholars who is able to read and understand Sumerian. Sitchin attended and graduated from the University of London, majoring in economic history. A leading journalist and editor in Israel for many years, he now lives and writes in New York.""

And are you suggesting also that Von Daniken is a crackpot? Why? Because he dares to mention relics that he finds on his journeys around the world, having researched in the field, first hand for over 30 years. Spoken to countless people in locales and studied their traditional legends and mythology. He has done more field work that any Harvard archaeologist. Just because his opinions do not match yours is no reason to vilify him or his work.

Do you have some explanation for that 4 mile long rock art sculpture of an Anunnaki at those coordinates in google earth I gave you or for the Elohim head found by Apollo 17? So why then do you revile these men who _do have an explanation? I will tell you why, because you are afraid of that which confronts you and so you wish to minimize it by relegating it to the fringe and offering guilt by association to somehow discredit the ideas of men who spent their entire professional careers studying these subjects. Read em and weep. The locations are there I have provided them at the NASA website and you have censored data and have shown yourself to be not a fair judge in this matter. Unqualified to delete my posts.

Rick S33555 12:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I do have an explanation for the 4 mile long rock art sculpture: It's a rock. You still have not provided correct citations to support your claims. --Ghostexorcist 12:48, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Well I have shown you an Elohim head on the moon. From Apollo 17 footage, and you might ask then well where is his birth certificate and of course I cannot provide that and you could then say well where is his passport? And I could not provide that either. If you ask for his citizenship from some alien planet I am afraid that he is without his wallet, so then what sort of citation could I provide that would satisfy you? Although Zecharia Sitchin and numerous other people have written extensively on their translations of the Sumerian texts and Biblical texts, no citation says expect to find an Elohim head on the moon. Although there are plenty of references to the moon and even in Indian mythology with the Ramayana, where a battle is fought on the moon. So then you dismiss the rock art of the Anunnaki. And you say it is a rock. Yes, a rock with a clear depiction of a person, who with his right hand is holding up two fingers and with his left hand has his index finger as a missile. And so then to explain that all to you, so that you can see how that fits in with other archaeology would take some time if you are a nay sayer, as nay sayers just deny the evidence. So extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence and these two things I have already shown you are quite extraordinary. Above and beyond extraordinary. And so then giving you more coordinates in google earth to yet more Anunnaki I can do. Here beside that one, is the smoking gun. (You have no idea what you are dealing with here) And keep in mind, you are almost asking for proof of God here. So don't say to me, that that is just too incredible. 14,58,55,43 S and 75,22,14,43 W eye elevation of 11.47 miles and rotate clockwise 10 degrees to the east for proper orientation.

And so then I can show you how these water bringer Gods, the Anunnaki, who fired the missiles, tie in with the Elohim, where one impacted, and where one is still sitting on the moon, which did not detonate, and how this all fits into their battle with the Elohim, and how as has been claimed by many, that there was a flood of sorts which resulted in the demise of the Nephilim their creation. But if you delete everything, including references to where that other missile is, and the relics which depict this story in Egyptian archaeology and Sumerian studies, well then how can I show the information so that people will be able to understand the connections between the Elohim, the Anunnaki, and the Nephilim?

Rick S33555 13:38, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

"Well I have shown you an Elohim head on the moon. From Apollo 17 footage..." You have shown me a rock on the moon from a screenshot from a blacklisted website.

"Although there are plenty of references to the moon and even in Indian mythology with the Ramayana, where a battle is fought on the moon." I am well aware of the events of the Ramayana because I have initiated several Hindu-mythology related articles.

You still have not provided credible proof for your claims. I think the overall problem I have with your "original research" is your claim about gods firing missiles at one another. I have to request you stop posting here like wikipedia is a forum. If you want to make valuable edits to the main article with verifiable sources, please feel free to do so at any time. --Ghostexorcist 14:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

This NASA website is not a blacklisted website. Here is a link to the video. http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/a17v.1652245.rm Here is a screenshot. http://s2.supload.com/free/VideoandlocationofElohimHead-10-10-2007.jpg/view/

You are not being reasonable. I am just trying to show you evidence of the Nephilim, which I'll admit, some believe are mythical creatures, who were created by God, and so you ask for evidence that God did it, from a what a scientific journal? Well the good lord works in mysterious ways and he has made some rock art for you that tells the story and that is his citation. Here is another one, fair use policy I won't make you look up the coordinates, it is there by Nazca as well. http://s2.supload.com/free/NazcaHead-9-5-2007.jpg/view/

So hear me out. Two missiles were fired at the moon because the Elohim were mining into the moon, and were destroying the gene pool with genetic engineering (Biblical reference Genesis Elohim and the daughters of men etc) one went off and created Aitken Basin and punctured the moon causing water to outgass from the moon and it fell on the earth in vast quantities. The Nephilim which were on the earth, were forced to the equator where competition for food made them extinct along with the megafauna. If you examine these artifacts, the Narmer Palette and the Victory Stele at Naram-Sin you will see depictions of those two missiles. The Water Bringer God symbolism is in many relics from the Middle East and Peru such as the La Venta Stele etc.

I'll admit that I am not expert on Wikipedia style and that is why when I did post to the page I just forwarded the information here for discussion on how to present this data. So here is a link to the water bringer Gods as well, and if someone can piece this information together in Wikipedia fashion, then that would be nice because it is relevant data. And also, Zecharia Sitchin and Von Daniken should not be merely placed in the popular culture heading but rather in a separate heading The Extraterrestrial Hypothesis. I have seen this site used in Wikipedia but I post it here simply because I can't provide every reference for Zecharia Sitchins work etc. Perhaps someone else can. http://www.crystalinks.com/godswaterbuckets.html

Rick S33555 14:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Basically, you have demonstrated to me that you have no textual citations to support your original research. You can show me all of the moon rock formation photos and stelae you want, but it still doesn't help your case. --Ghostexorcist 14:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

To an extent, whether the rock is what it is claimed to be or not is irrelevant. What matters is whether there are reliable sources which specifically argue that it is, and whether inclusion of that information on this page would raise concerns about the idea receiving undue weight. So far as I have seen, there has yet to be presented any evidence that any reliable source has made the claim regarding the rock that you make, or any of the other claims you put forward as well. On that basis, the content cannot be responsibly added to wikipedia. If and when a reliable source does make such a contention, then there would be no objection to including the information somewhere in wikipedia, maybe here, maybe elsewhere. However, until and unless a reliable source, as defined by the WP:RS page makes that contention, and provided the content does not place undue relative weight on the theory as per WP:Undue weight, we cannot by policy include such content in any article. John Carter 15:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I just can't even imagine a source that could make that claim besides me the pope and God, and so I guess I will bow to your wishes unless you might somehow suggest what a reliable source might look like on the earth that could identify that as an Elohim? You and I both know the journal nature is not going to publish any article of that nature and also I cannot even post image snapshots from google earth, so I guess at the end of the day Wikipedia is not flexible enough to deal with the real world and the facts as they present themselves. Thanks for your time. Rick S33555 17:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:Reliable source answers your question. --Ghostexorcist 19:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Well this is the only reliable source I have for you. But of course it doesn't say what it is, and so it requires a great deal of understanding to know what it is. Thats Hecate, thats the underworld and thats an Elohim head with bat wings to signify Catholicism. And I can pass that information on, but its not satisfactory for Wikipedia's guidelines regarding reference to that specific head in question and as such, I am sure you understand that I would be unable to prove that it is, and so once again I have to just leave it to others to write scholarly texts and then perhaps it can be used. Rick S33555 18:57, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Singular

What is/would be the singular form in Hebrew? I assume Nephilim is a plural, like Elohim (I need this information for a work of fiction). Could someone provide the Latin (i.e. regular), Greek and, ideally, Hebrew script versions?

Thank you
David Latapie (✒ | @) — www 18:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Depending on which etymology your using either נפל or פלא. נפל is averb though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolf2191 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Popular culture section

I've removed most of this. Some was blatant self-promotion, some was pure trivia. I'm not convinced that any of it that is left is 'culturally significant'. WP:POPCULTURE says "should contain verifiable facts of genuine interest to a broad audience of readers. Although some information can be verified from primary sources, this does not demonstrate whether such information has been discussed in independent secondary sources. If a cultural reference is genuinely significant it will be easy to find a secondary reliable source to attribute that judgment. Quoting a respected expert as attesting to the importance of a subject as a cultural influence is encouraged." So, that still needs to be done for what's left. --Doug Weller (talk) 08:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)