Talk:Neotribalism
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are amish neo tribal? 210.9.15.116
- No, I'd say they're plain old Tribal. Read the article for the differences. Mjk2357 15:49, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] what roots?
It would be cool if the references on Jean-Jacques Rousseau and William Kingdon Clifford could actually be cited properly because niether one of those wiki-linked bios thows any light on specifically how their social philosophies are "Neo-Tribalist". I understand how Rousseau's social contracts were designed as compromises with modern-society (ie. they were not designed to further the progress of modern sovereignty, but instead to protect man from its progress, at least the violent progress of sovereignty that Hobbes envisioned). But I know nothing of what Clifford has to say on this and his wiki bio mentions little also. If indeed "Neo-Tribalism" is rooted with Rousseau and Clifford it would be great to provide that information that connects them, thanks. User:Hypomnemata 12:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for your interest in this article.
- Clifford coined the term "tribal self" and wrote about how this aspect of ourselves can or cannot adapt to the modern world. From his article:
- The other phrase, "tribal self," gives the key to Clifford's ethical view, which explains conscience and the moral law by the development in each individual of a "self," which prescribes the conduct conducive to the welfare of the "tribe."
- The idea that morality is based on "tribal" instincts (and not abstract metaphysical concepts as in Kant's thinking) shows up in the ideology of neo-Tribalists. Whether or not this was directly due to Clifford's influence is uncertain from my reading at least.
Mjk2357 02:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] merger
I've proposed merging New tribalists here. New tribalists mostly repeats information in this article, albeit without much clarity, and without much beyond what exists here. Jd2718 21:22, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
- I'd be ok with merging the New triablists into this article, but not the other way around. Neo-Tribalism addresses a broader subject and, in my opinion, is much better written (and not just the parts I wrote!) Mjk2357 23:50, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Absolutely, that was my intention in placing the tag. New tribalists is a mess; Neo-tribalism is well-written. Jd2718 23:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't agree. New tribalists appear more radical whereas Neo tribalism appears more moderate or at least seems to present the opportunity for moderation. Just as those who engage in democratic politics may hold different positions or stances (e.g. liberal democratic, compassionate conservative, neo-conservative, etc) this notion of 'modern tribalism' too appears to contain differing positions, attitudes and strands of belief and action that deserve differentiation in order to maintain each position's integrity. Gaiaeve (talk) 00:21, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- I agree the New tribalists article should be merged here. While I agree with Gaiaeve that "New Tribalists", from a Daniel Quinn perspective, represent a clear subset of Neo-Tribalism that difference can be(almost is) adequately address here. Chipstata (talk) 13:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
