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Message from 68.125.130.110

It should be noted that some of the "information" that has been on this page at one point or another comes from the Red Cross Book, and is wholly unsupported (or worse, contradicted) by the series. The most famous example is the RCB's claim that First Impact is what killed the dinosaurs, when the anime states that FI is what created the Moon. Any information from sources outside the anime and manga themselves should be considered about as canon as Gene Roddenbery's explanation of "Northern" and "Southern" Klingons.

Other "information" on the page is not supported by the canon OR by the RCB, making me wonder where it comes from.

I'm happy to see that at least SOME of my corrections have survived. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.125.130.110 (talk • contribs) .

It seems your sources are wrong. If you have read the Red Cross Book yourself, there is no mention of dinosaurs, but it states that the First Impact is actually the event of the Giant Impact theory. Moreover, the writers have worked with Anno and his team, and it was approved by the GAINAX Evangelion staff, including Hideaki Anno. Therefore, it is both canon and official. I've read it a couple of times myself, and I don't see any contradtictions from what I have watched.
Therefore, your views have become unsupported, which means they are opinion. This sort of content against the NPOV Wikipedia policy.
If you have any qualms about particular details in the articles you may read, you may go ahead and correct it, but please make sure you do yourhomework first. -Anon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.50.228.4 (talk • contribs) .
Response from 68.125.130.110: the version of the RCB that you read was most likely an English translation of the "corrected" version of the RCB. The version that was originally printed in Japanese in 1997 said that FI is what wiped out the dinosaurs, and Gainax officially admitted their mistake and had to issue a correction. Furthermore, the RCB lists Rei Ayanami's birthdate as March 30, 2001, but also says that she was created from the "salvaged remains" of Ikari Yui, who was alive and well until 2004. The material may be "approved", but it is NOT canon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.125.130.110 (talk • contribs) .
Just because a piece of work is flawed doesn't mean it can't be reported. Indeed, there does appear some inconsistancies, but that is no reason to automatically consider it not canon. Both (the series and the booklets) come from GAINAX, both were approved, both are official. The best we can do for Wikipedia is not take sides (since both pieces are from the same side anyway) and report it as we have them. If you spot inconsistancies within the work as a whole, it may be reported as a side note, but that is certainly no reason why you would remove it altogether. Moreover, it is considered by the majority of fans and reputable sources that the booklet is canon, anyway. -Anon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.50.228.5 (talk • contribs) .
Response from 68.125.130.110: If you want to add something like "according to the Red Cross Book" to all statements that are made based entirely on the RCB, that's fine, I have no problem with that. It's no worse than saying "Toji died in the manga but survived in the anime" - each is canon with respect to itself, but not to the other. Information that comes directly from the show's creator or other major players, if stated as coming from these people and not from the material itself, is "close enough" to canon. Even conceptual drawings, like the one showing the "blueprints" of Rei's apartment, are acceptable sources of information if named separately and if not contradicted by the canon. But the RCB has been admitted by Gainax to contain at least one error, so the only information presented in it that can't be wrong is the information that's also presented in the anime. At best, it should be presented as a separate source of information instead of absolute, unquestionable fact. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.125.130.110 (talk • contribs) .
I mostly concur. Just to be clear, even information within the series itself can be wrong, which is why my mindset is to be as objective as possible, and to look at the big picture as well as how the little things may fit in it. Already, the Evangelions' size is in contradiction between episodes and even shots, for example, so in raw reality, Evangelion can always be seen as a layout of points rather than a straight line (where we can say that this point belongs on the line, and that point is slightly off). In thinking about it this way, we realize that it's "to each point its own", and each are of equal importance; some can be recognized to belong to a particular set, but essentially, each bit of information is simply a take on an undefined truth. The upshot of this bit of philosophy is that, basically, all given information are as valid as the next; only conflicts arrise slightly more when the information is given from a different group, so it becomes helpful to identify which group it comes from (series, RCB, manga, etc.) especially when conflicts arrise. -Anon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.50.228.5 (talk • contribs) .
I've heard that the Evangelions are drawn at different sizes, but I haven't noticed any such inconsistencies. They all seem to be consistently just a bit smaller than most of the buildings around them. What's important, however, is that their sizes are never explicitly stated, and thus the series does not contradict itself in this way. Information within the anime itself is only wrong if the character (or other source) saying it is lying, crazy, misinformed, etc. And while Evangelion has no shortage of liars and basket cases, they're still more reliable sources of info than the RCB. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.125.130.110 (talk • contribs) .

Angels

Some reverse the first two angels. Some start the list with a 0th Angel or otherwise disagree with this list. Some call Pen-Pen the 2nd Angel.

Could you elaborate, especialy about Pen-Pen ? --Taw

"Why is Lilith called the First Angel?"
Two reasons. First of all, remember that she's been mistaken for Adam (more truth-hiding by SEELE), but she's also the first Angel to have appeared; she was on Earth in some kind of Angelic form well before Adam showed up; SEELE's symbol of the seven eyes on a triangle is taken from Lilith's mask, and SEELE's also been around since long before the Second Impact." source
According to the evaotaku.com faq, the Red Cross Book says that the angels originated from the source of life called Lilith, but also calls Adam the First Angel. This would explain why someone might call Lilith the 0th Angel (although the faq author doesn't). I think I heard about Pen-Pen the Second Angel from a friend at college. He also appears in some forms of Discordianism. --Dan
About Pen^2, I think it was because every time Penpen was abused or neglected, an angel always appears after. --1 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.221.31.74 (talk • contribs) .
Zeroth Angel?? How?? what?? and what about humans being the 18th....?? and are the angels what could have been? instead of humans... at least that's what I've understood... Eva is an incredible series/movies, but it is also incredibly confusing... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.253.77.xxx (talk • contribs) .
End of Evangelion definitely calls the Angels other possible forms of humanity. So I assume someone denies this violently. I could explain the whole plot for you, but...um...er...I have to go now. --Dan
I believe I have read somewhere or seen discussed somewhere that Humans chose to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, rather than the Tree of Life. Subsequently, Humans were thrown out of the Garden of Eden while the Angels were allowed to eat the fruit of the Tree of Life (i.e. given near-eternal life. Can't remember where I read it though. --KaranJ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.68.145.223 (talk • contribs) .
I think that Adam is the first angel and Lilth is the 2nd Angel. What I would like to learn more about is, all of the secrets that the creator puts into this wonderful series/movie. If you watch death/rebirth on DVD try to find secrets. I have found alot. EX: on evas 5 through 13 if you look closely the dummy plug says Kaworu on the front.:) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 165.138.65.2 (talk • contribs) .
Hope I don't upset anyone too much if I say that despite the Red Cross Book being an official Gainax product, I don't regard it as an infallible source of information. Of course the RCB can be regarded as a co-equal part of the NGE corpus, but this means it is just as likely to contain mis-information and contradictions as any other part. I don't think it should be seen as an authoratative metatext. And while we're on the subject, Tim Miller's NGE secrets page mentioned above is also not authoritative. He's not updated it for 5 years, and so it doesn't take account of the restored footage in the "Director's Cut". For example, this shows that the embryonic Adam was at some point implanted into Gendo's hand (and so you have to come up with another theory as to why Gendo puts his hand on Rei's breast in EoE) --PS4FA
The whole Adam on Gendo's hand thing is quite simple. Gendo's dream was to be with Yui again (his wife), and that currently meant the instrumentality project. To cause intrumentality you need to bring an angel in contact with Lilith (aka Mother Nature). Gendo couldn't do this himself, even with an angel fused to his hand. Rei was created using some of Yui (either just genetic code, or a portion of her soul as well which is why Rei was able to synch with Unit 01 as Yui's soul is there) and some of Lilith (hence Rei being welcomed home to Lilith and Kaworu saying that both he and Rei are the same). Gendou was going to use Rei by fusing with her and causing intrumentality to be with Yui, but Rei rejected him and started intrumentality herself allowing her to influence the flow of it and allowing Shinji to seize the future and give people the choice to either remain in heaven (the LCL) where no new experience is gained, or regain their physical being and continue living. --stickmanofborg
I'd kind of argue that last statement. Humanity would "continue living" both in the LCL or in their physical bodies. But in the LCL life would be eternal. Also its not exactly that no new experience is gained as much as experience no longer matters because all is one. So in a way is more like experiencing everything.

Clarifications

Wouldn't it be cool/great/interesting to create an End of End of Evangelion sort of page that helps explain everything at the End of Evangelion? Like help clear things up, explain why/how things happen happen, and "Kimochi warui actually means I feel unwell instead of Disgusting"? Solve life's greatest mysteries and all? It'd be nice. Had anything similar to this happened before? --Anonymous —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.221.31.74 (talk • contribs) .

Kimochi warui can be interpreted in many ways. kimochi literally means 'feeling', and warui literally means 'bad'. So this phrase can be interpred as "I feel unwell", "I feel sick", "That gives me a bad feeling", "This is a bad feeling" and so on. This is just from my basic Japanese knowledge, so it's open to interpretation, and really needs a Japanese translator to look at it in context. -- KaranJ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.68.145.223 (talk • contribs) .
"Kimochi warui" does mean "disgusting." It also means "i fell unwell," "i feel sick," and probably a dozen other things of a similar nature. However, given the VA's explanation of where the line came from, "disgusting" is the obvious best choice. dunerat 10:08, 27 October 2005 (UTC)dunerat
It is no such thing. "Kimochi warui" here denotes 1) a totally banal phrase in an extraordinary context, 2) an instance of black humour and 3) the very essence of existentialist angst. She's saying she feels bad when she's just awoken from a long coma, been quite literally torn to shreds in Eva 00, has died, and has barely survived being strangled seconds before. And now she says she feels like crap. She's not saying anything's disgusting; she's just saying she feels like crap. And understandably so. aquilla

Add to list

Who wants to add the Evangelion to the List of fictional robots and androids? Or does it not count? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.220.11.136 (talk • contribs) .

Why not, fits with the article description. -- KaranJ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.68.145.223 (talk • contribs) .
Keep in mind, however, that the Eva isn't technically a robot; if anything, you should at least point out that it's a cyborg. -- anonymous —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.114.20.121 (talk • contribs) .
Eh, I agree with calling it a cyborg at the very least, but that's a cheap shot given the extent of what amounts to a locked-down being used as weapon or a tool. -Resonance Cascade —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gibson Cowboy (talk • contribs) .
It isn't a cyborg. It's more like a human/beast, not mechanical like. --Nickmaster 01:31, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
As stated on the coment before this one, Evas are more like human. The mechanical parts attached to them are just there to keep them under control of the pilot and supply them with the energy required to 'work'. Keep in mind this energy is just required not because they are some kind of robots, but because they actually have no souls, wich makes them stay in a deep coma state all the time. (with exception of unit 01, wich actually had a soul, that explains all the times the unit moved without proper energy supply or a pilot; this also explains why the unit can achieve the frenesi state known as berserk) So, that's my vote, I'm against stating the series as a giant robot sci-fi series. ~Nih 21:40, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

New introduction

I think this article needs a spoilerfree introduction. I propose something like this:

Evangelion takes place in the near future (2015 AD), fourteen years after the catastrophic Second Impact. Caused by a meteorite strike, this explosion was massive enough to tilt the Earth's axis and melt the Antarctica. During the aftermath, Earth lost its seasonal cycle and most of the mankind was wiped out by the resulting flood.
Just as the humanity had recovered and the life had returned to normal, a new threat emerged: the Angels. Conventional weapons are useless against these monsters, and the only known defense against them is the biomechanical robot created by NERV, the Evangelion 0:1.

Ok, considered Khym Chanur's comments (thank you!) and modified the intro above. Removed the comment due to metaspoiler issues. The old version is available via Talk history, as usual.

I'm aware of the single inaccuracy in the introduction; it's deliberate as this stuff is supposed to be free of spoilers. Comments? --Card 15:03, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The inaccuracy fits well with flow and original information given in previews and trailers, without revealing too much. --KaranJ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.68.145.223 (talk • contribs) .
There's an inaccuracy I'm worried about - and attempted to correct - but someone erased it. Didn't Hideaki Anno suffer a nervous breakdown 'during' the run of the series instead of before it? Can anyone address this in the introduction?--it seems that Anno's psychological state during the production of Evangelion was a major factor in its themes. --Anonymous —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.114.20.121 (talk • contribs) .
I removed that because i've never heard it before and it seems like a lot of people are confused over which psychological problems Anno had when. If you can find a reliable source that says he did have a nervous breakdown during the series' run, then certainly add it. If you're basing this on word-of-mouth or something you heard somewhere randomly on the Internet, please try to find a better source. --℘yrop (talk) 01:44, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

Additions and Expansions

I plan to add a few new things to this group of pages. I'm a pretty big fan of NGE, and while I don't claim to know everything, I think I know quite enough to be able to add to the page. I do have a few 'personal quirks' in my way of writing about the series which some may disagree with, so if anyone considers my style or my changes to be less than ideal, I'm happy to discuss it, or, if we can't reach a mutual agreement, to simply withdraw from adding to the page. I've no intentions of vandalising the work of others, but a lot more could usefully be added to these pages. I'd appreciate hearing from the more established contributors to this page, to discuss my intentions. I'll be adding my changes gradually. --Soluzar

It would be interesting if there was a episode summary which details the development of the series episode by episode. -sec5 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.160.24.109 (talk • contribs) .
That would be beyond the scope of Wikipedia. For that sort of thing, go to one of the external pages dedicated to NGE. --dunerat 10:24, 27 October 2005 (UTC)dunerat

South Park has an individual wikipedia article dedicated to each episode.

That's true, and South Park has a lot more episodes - would it really be too much to have an article for each NGE episode? --NorkNork Questions? fnord? 07:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

If you want to have NGE as a FA then I would sugest not to add the Episodes. --Guille2015 01:55, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Hiroyuki Tsuchida

I want to add, wherever in the article it would be appropriate, something like:

In June 2003, a 23-year old Japanese man named Hiroyuki Tsuchida beat his mother to death with a baseball bat, claiming Eva made him believe that humans were unnecessary beings, and should be eliminated. He belived if he started by killing his family members, it would make it easier for him to kill strangers. He was pronounced guilty of murder in early 2004. It should be noted that Hiroyuki's interpretation does not match most people's interpretation of Evangelion.

Sources: http://www12.mainichi.co.jp/news/mdn/search-news/916714/evangelion-0-1.html, http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4660.

I'm planning on doing a lot of work on this main article when I get enough free time (i.e. probably around Christmas, or later if I'm procrastinating badly); the Hiroyuki blurb doesn't really fit into the article now but it will if I get to do what I want to with the article. --Pyrop 03:53, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

His own article is now at Hiroyuki Tsuchida. --Pyrop 02:09, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

Images

I've added two images, Image:EvaUnit01ActionFigure.jpg and Image:EvaMassProdActionFigure.jpg, which are pictures I took of action figures of Eva units my friend owns. I'm aware they're pretty mediocre pictures, but I'm nowhere near a set of DVDs for Eva, and I'm not really sure what the fair use policy for stills from the show might be. Anyone who can contribute, it would be appreciated. --℘yrop (talk) 01:07, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

This is good. If anyone could upload an image, perhaps something similar to this one would be a good choice. -Anon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.50.228.5 (talk • contribs) .
I'm pretty sure that a single still from the show would constitute fair use. After all, the book-cover template for book-cover images says "It is believed that book covers may be exhibited on Wikipedia under the fair use provision of United States copyright law." (see Image:Ranmavolume1.jpg for an example). So I think that using part of one single frame from an anime would also constitute fair use.
So I'm going to use Google Image search to find a better picture of an EVA, upload it, and use that in the article. --Khym Chanur 10:03, Jan 17, 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I found an image. It's of Unit 02 crouching on a battle cruiser, which not only looks nice, but it also provides scale to show how big the EVA is, which the action figure didn't. The image is Image:EvaUnit02Still.jpg --Khym Chanur 10:21, Jan 17, 2005 (UTC)

What 天使 (tenshi) means...

天使 (tenshi) is usually translated angel. It's also the translation Jim Breens dictionary gives.

Somehow I doubt Gainax was the originator of this translation. --Shinobu 20:58, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yes; I fixed the anonymous edit that had shito and tenshi reversed. --℘yrop (talk) 02:45, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
Of note: tenshi may translate more directly to "angel," but Gainax apparently chose to use shito for a reason: it translates to "disciple" or "messenger", which approximates the literal Greek/Latin definition of the word "Angelos". This seems intentional to me; the title Neon Genesis Evangelion is, similarly, Gainax's free translation into Greek of the series' Japanese title Shin Seiki Evangelion. Might be worth mentioning in regard to the terminology of shito/tenshi... --Anonymous —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.114.20.121 (talk • contribs) .
Okay, now it makes a lot more sense. --Shinobu 11:53, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)


FYI, for casual readers who don't speak Japanese, Shito can be translated as 'messanger' or 'apostle'. Not that it makes much difference to the posting.

perfectblue97

Existentialism?

Does anyone else think there are strong ties to the Existentialist ideals in this series? (And forgive me if it was discussed under a different name, or just as quoted from individual thinkers of Existentialism). --Anon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kvidell (talk • contribs) .

Short answer, Yes it has very strong ties with Existentialism, even if viewed in a popularist way. --UnlimitedAccess 18:18, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
I haven't even seen any of this, but it does seem highly philosophical. After seeing many articles about this genre on Wikipedia, I must admit my initial view of anime has changed significantly...heh, I didn't know they dealt with such heavy issues! (Not just existentionalism, but other metaphysical and psychological aspects and whatnot. --Natalinasmpf 29 June 2005 01:25 (UTC)

Not existentialism, but pessimism!

I think it's not existentialism, it's the Schopenhauerian pessimism:

  1. 1: Episode 4 has the title "Hedgehog's Dilemma", a tale of Schopenhauer, which tells us about two Hegdehogs in the cold. If they moved too close, their neadles would hurt each other, if they moved too far, they would freeze. It's very hard for them to find a middle way as it is for Misato and Shinji in that episode.
  2. 2: Look at the main characters: Each of them is maladjusted! Maladjusted by his or her destiny and by the one's which are responsible for the destiny! For example Shinji (I would call his behavior "German Angst"!): He's maladjusted because of having lost his mother and his father who's unable to be his father because he's himself maladjusted because of having lost his wife! And why did she have to die? Because mankind, represented by SEELE and Keel, is maladjusted by madness, because they think they would be able to combat versus Heaven and the Gods or whatever and to reach eternity by an artificial evolution, as the humans always have been cruel against each other and making the other humans' lives kaputt, as one can see best in EoE, where NERV becomes a birdcage! Shinji is kaputt (he wants the whole world dead = Negation of Life = Schopenhauer!), his father is kaputt, his mother is totally kaputt, Asuka is kaputt, Misato is kaputt, Rei has been kaputt from all the begin and so on and so on and so on. All in all: Human society, mankind itself, the whole world is kaputt. And that's exactly the weltanschauung of Schopenhauer, who called the world "Die Schlechteste aller möglichen Welten" (mundus pessimus), the worst of any possible world, where man is man's wolf (homo lupus hominis), reigned by a punishing (evil?) God without mercy.

I think this hits NGE more exacly than existentialism, and that's why I think Schopenhauer's Pessimism is the major Weltanschauung of NGE.
(Remember that Hideaki Anno himself was maladjusted by depression when he had the idea for NGE!) --Hattakiri 20:14, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

While the outlook of the series may or may not be pessimistic (that is a subjective judgement), the characters and their relations are without a shadow of a doubt existentialist. The main driving force behind their relations is existentialist angst, as exhibited in the tension between characters that pervades the series like cobwebs in an abandoned house. In the psychological/character-development aspect of the show at least, the existentialist view (both philosophical and psychoanalytical) of the world and the individual is dominant. For example, Shinji's "Hedgehog's Dilemma" is caused by his angst at the pain brought on by the traumas of his absent parents on the subconscious level, not because the world is just that way and people will always hurt each other if they get close. The mere fact that he eventually opens up (both in episode 26 of the series and in End of Evangelion with Asuka) proves that the individual has power over his surroundings (the philosophical aspect of existentialism) and of his psychological state (the psychoanalytical aspect of existentialism). --Aquilla
The title of episode 16 is "Sickness Unto Death" which is the title of a book by Soren Kierkegaard, called by some the father of existentialism. You can see some of his concepts of despair in the series. --GinAndTonic 00:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
One of the principles of Existentialism is that God does not exist and we must deal with all the ramifications of this. However the basic plot of Angels attacking the Earth implies that there is a God. There may be some existential concepts tied into the series but I would say overall it doesnt match up too well with existentialism as one of its major philosophies.

That's why I'd say that's "combinationism". Because we have Kierkegaard with Sickness Unto Death but Schopenhauer with Hedgehog's Dilemma. And there are many more examples.--Hattakiri 23:34, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

"Combinationism"

Well, I think it's just both of them:
The existentialism of all the characters' generates the pessimism of the society. Because they are all maladjusted by destiny, they got angst and depression and sadness and trauma and wrath and hopelessness and became existentialistic. And that's why they behave like hedgehogs and let the world become a "hell, and on the one hand the humans are the hurted souls and on the other hand the devils in it." (Schopenhauer). That's why existentialism and pessimism are so similar (Sartre: "Hell, that's allways the others!")
And that "heaven" (the LCL) is very similar to the buddhistic Nirvana and that's similar to Schopenhauer's Nothing. Because buddhism and pessimism are very similar to each other ("Life is pain. Pain is obsession=will"), what Schopenhauer himself recognized (often he named himself a "buddhaist").
So we all are right.
And their's even more:

  • there is the "original sin" of Aurelius Augustinus
  • there the humans try to reach God by using technology, and that referres to Thomas Aquinas (logic and faith both come from God, so that they never are an antagonism) and to Nietzsches "Übermensch"
  • there is the monadology of Leibniz, because Shinji is caught by LCL with body and soul. Human body consists of normal physical matter (atoms and quants). In the monadology monads are "soul-atoms" or "soul-quants", which can manifest on the one hand as deat atoms building dead matter ("blank monads") and as the human soul ("soul monads"). Does anything come from LCL? Dead matter als well as souls, runified in the human body?
  • without monadification the LCL referres to Spinoza's origin substance
  • there is Hegel's weltgeist: The weltgeist (God) lost himself, created the world and the humans (mankind left paradise=origin sin) but will find himself at least by creating a perfect world (reunification of mankind)
  • Misatos quote of dream and reality in EoE referres to solipsism and Johann Gottlieb Fichte
  • and it referres to Sloterdijks "spherology", where everyone lives in his own world, his own sphere

--Hattakiri 14:45, 24 October 2005 (UTC) The existentialist perspective would be to say "Anno is Anno" but since you guys are from probably rational positivist culture, I must speak in your words. Some scholars have been discussing in Japan the similarities between traditional, shinto buddhist Japanese and Heidegger's phenomenology, and how Japanese anime imitates(and there are evidence from what the directors say) Wagner's structure of art, which is longing for a mother-image and lookining for a valkyrie to save the boy. Yet, this collection of German perspective itself is objectified as Asuka in the show. Asuka(fundamentally German, with some Asian blood, prematurely educated by America) was Shinji(Modern Japan)'s last hope. According to a psychologist Tamaki Saito, Evangelion is designed to address issues that Japanese kids bring into their counseling room. These include, "How do I become a good girlfriend" "What is the future of Japan". The second question is very cultue-specific, and if you are outside of Japan, it may be harder for one to imagine people actually worry about what the future of their own coutry is. In any case, if you think Evangelion is existentialist, I suggest you to research in a existentialist/phenomenologist, you may want to apply phenomenological attempt to collect informations(such as, what books exactly influenced Anno, according to what Anno says, what was the social environment like, when was it made?) Some analyze that the nihilistic air in the Japanese society was triggered by the incident of Aum Shinrikyo) in 1995, where people who studied hard, got good jobs joined the cult and terrorized the country. Instead of looking for what universal, look for things that made evangelion particular to Anno, particular to the time, culture...etc

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Responses

Some information that should be added under "Responses." This is pertinent to the debate regarding the degree to which EVA's ending was planned out in advance... Several sources (regrettably I don't have access to any of them from this location) mention that there were only two weeks elapsed time between the ending of the TV series and Gainax's announcement of the forthcoming theatrical features. Admittedly one can receive a lot of hate mail in two weeks, but one presumes they were planning the movies to wrap up the series all along and withtheld the announcement until after the airing of the final episode. -anon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.114.20.121 (talk • contribs) .

OK, so find those sources and edit the article. --℘yrop (talk) 01:33, May 3, 2005 (UTC)

Biomechanic...

Wouldn't you say the fact of the Evangelions being "biomechanical" would a spoiler? -anon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.50.228.5 (talk • contribs) .

My sense is, anyone who hasn't seen Eva will probably overlook it. --Eraboin 4 July 2005 04:36 (UTC)
We are made aware that the Evas are biomechanical from the very first episode. The extent and reason is not made clear until later on. Stating the reason for them being biomechanical would be a spoiler, however. --theevamonkey July 12th, 2005 10:48 PM EST


I don't think that this really counts as a spoiler. The English translation clearly states that they are 'artificial lifeforms', and one is seen bleeding, right from the opening moments.

The significane of them being biomechanical might be a spoiler, but the fact that they are, isn't a spolier in itself --Perfect Blue 97

Agreed, the average Wikipedia user will probably go "Wow, Biomechanical. Thassa cool word." 'Cuz, like, that's what I do every time I read it. Onslaught Six 06:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

The Movie

It doesn't seem encyclopaedic to be discussing certain cast members as "expected" this early in the game. The odds of those people being casted are very slim considering we're 3-5 years from the movie being made. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lord Bodak (talk • contribs) .

The expected cast section is by far one of the most misleading and meaningless portions of this website I have ever bared witness to. I am deleting them due to the fact that they are a complete work of fiction. The last time I checked they did not even have a director much less any contact with half the cast of the harry potter movies. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.250.201.215 (talk • contribs) .
That's a good move and I support it. --cheese-cube 08:51, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
The whole section is out of control, so I chopped it down. If there's going to be a movie, it deserves its own article... there's no need to have multiple infoboxes for different video works crammed into this one page. --Tarnas 10:13, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
The movie section said it was on hold, but when I checked the link they had newer news saying it was still underway so I removed that part. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.34.25.246 (talk • contribs) .

Conversation paradoxes

i've watched the show couple of times and besides from the most talked episodes, i am always curious on the way Shinji was treated. it always seemed to be looping. kinda like a This_sentence_is_false type liar paradox (i hope i am using the right example) for instence, they would ask shinji to pilot the EVA if shinji refuses, they will probably say he is running away from things, if he agrees, then they will say he agrees with everything and they are not forcing him to. and if he says that he does want to pilot it, they will be like .. oh be yourself or something (you guys know what i am trying to get at) so i guess i am asking, if i am the only one that sees that? or is there some kind of explanation to it? thx, --Mint Greentea 09:31, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

My guess was always that it was an extension of the Hedgehog's Dilemna there. --Maru 01:55, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Final Fantasy X

I don't know if anyone noticed but near the second half of the series Unit-01 bears a remarkable resemblance to the Aeon Anima in Final Fantasy X and X-2. "Some have speculated that qualifying pilots must have lost a mother, whose soul is used as the soul of the Eva" The soul of Seymour Guado's mother is used to create Anima, and is visually quite similar. Quite the coincidence don't you think? --142.162.197.178 19:34, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I would think it is just coincidence. NGE appeared at least 6 years before FFX. -- ReyBrujo 01:16, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
it's very likely that that is on purpose by the creators of Final Fantasy. The Weltall unit in Xenogears looked strikingly like Eva01 and in Final Fantasy VII in the trophy room there is a familiar looking piece of fat oversized diving equipment of the type placed on Eva02, and it is labeled "Type D Equipment". There are probably some NGE fans on some of the Squaresoft dev teams. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.93.134.136 (talk • contribs) .
Would be interesting to find out if some of the designers in FFX were also designers in Gainax. -- ReyBrujo 15:38, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
I would highly doubt that, but consider this: both FFX and NGE are created by people in extremely similar walks of life. One is a video game, the other an anime series. It would seem hard to believe that video game developers don't watch anime series and vice versa. And considering NGE is one of the major anime series, I'd think it's a safe bet to say FF devs watched it. And having watched it, some might be fans of it and put in little tributes. Voilà. Aquilla

Resolving the RCB issue, once and for all

There are individuals who insist on alienating information provided by the Red Cross Book [1], and edit accordingly. As valid an action as this is, I feel that some Evangelion articles have been made too cluttered and messy because of this (take, for example, the Rei Ayanami article), and deliberations for the consequential offshoots of such different views begin to stem endlessly. The current product appears to be a disorganized ramble of RCB concepts v.s. anti-RCB concepts. This, in my humble opinion, is not a pretty sight.

It should become our responsibility to finally clarify, for the readers, all affected articles to be more clean and concise; I think this can be achieved by deciding, once and for all, whether or not information included in the Red Cross Book be regarded to be part of the story that this part of the encyclopedia is concerned with, so to speak.

I believe this part of the encyclopedia should be concerned with the story of Neon Genesis Evangelion established by GAINAX. As you may be aware, various 'alternate universe' spin-offs were also created by GAINAX, so all this should be concerned with the original 'universe' created by GAINAX. One thing we definitely know to be part of this is every sequence, scene and shot of the original 26 episode series. The director's cuts, we also consider to be 'in', although it is treated as more trivial; but what has been extended and added is considered to reveal more of what is Evangelion. The manga, meanwhile, is treated as quite seperate from the anime, and only is mentioned where relevant and contains certain information not found in the anime (with a note saying something along the lines of "this is from the manga"). And now, what of direct quotes and comments on Evangelion from Anno, himself? Well, this sort of thing, although not found to be explicitly shown in any other material, is entirely embraced. You take the last line of The End of Evangelion, for example. At first, it seems it could mean anything, and no one could really tell; then when information regarding this from the creator is reported, we all would suddenly accept and go "ohhh!".

But, finally, how should the Red Cross Book be treated? It is officially issued by GAINAX to go with the original 'universe', it has been personally approved by Anno and staff, it has even been revised, it appears to support everything already established in the series, it appears to extend on particular subjects, it contains some information not explicitly shown in the other materials, it goes on.

By considering the Red Cross Book part of the story that this part of the encyclopedia is concerned with, we can revise the articles that need the most help, and leave the articles which already incorperate the RCB in its exposition. No longer may articles have to be left as a wild quid v.s. quo comparison of ideas representing a position of great narrative significance; it can finally be made to state the official word, then maybe the alternative as a side note. Order can be restored.

From the individuals I've observed, here are the arguments against the Red Cross Book:

  • Some errors were found, and in contradiction to the series (now, corrected)

Whoops, sorry, I was expecting more than one point when I set out to write the list. (I'm sorry, I wasn't intending to be funny if that's what was thought, I was genuinely surprised and expected at least three points, but I couldn't find any more than the above after ten minutes of searching — this is the first time it's happened to me.)

In the end, don't virtually all good Eva fans consider the Red Cross Book canon?

A good concensus is needed on this matter, as we finally resolve the Red Cross Book issue. Put your voice on this page, so we can finally decide on it. Thank you. -Anon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.50.228.4 (talk • contribs) .

I know less about this than I would like, but as near as I can tell, we should treat the RCB as canon. --Maru (talk) Contribs 23:58, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the Red Cross Book was endorsed by GAINAX. As far as I'm concerned, that's the bottom line. Druff 18:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Lilith

On the section where you discuss Biblical allusions and mention "Eva" being linked to Eve as in Adam and Eve I then looked for "Lilith" which is also in the series. Couldn't find mention of the fAct that some believe Lilith preceded Eve so was in fact the actual first woman. Wondered how the naming of Lilith in the series corresponded to this idea? Cheers. --Anon

I always figured it was because Lilith preceded the creation of the Evas, much as the Rabbaic Lilith preceded Eve. --maru (talk) Contribs 17:51, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Parallels to secrets of blue water

Has anyone noticed the parallels between NGE and Secrets of the blue water. I recently came across a site with a wealth of corresponding aspects of both series. It seems to have some merit to it and considering that gainax published both series, it seems entirely possible that the same people may have been responsible for both of the epics. The site is [[2]]http://www.thesecretofbluewater.com/nadieva-i.htm. Does anyone know anything that could disprove this theory? If so please respond.

                                             71.51.72.159 18:48, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
It's no secret that Nadia/Blue Water was one of Anno Hideaki's previous anime series. Druff 18:23, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

You can also see parallels between NGE and Martian Successor Nadesico. Look at the intros. --Guille2015 01:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I believe Nadesico to be a parody/tribute to NGE and some of the older space/mecha series. The similarities are just far too many. NGE is a popular show, which of course would gather attention and admiration. --beware_of_moose 12:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Character Representations

Under the Characters Section, there are numerous examples of how three characters are thought to represent so and so. Is there any justification for this? One that I don't see is the Trinity one. 128.6.175.96 20:28, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I might have the answer about Trinity. The Trinity is made of God, the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit. Gendo is God. He is in charge of everything in NERV and has jurediction over Shinji and Rei. Shinji is the son of god, the son of Gendo. Rei is the Holy Spirit. I can't really think why, but she just seems to fit. --Nickmaster 01:46, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, Rei can definitely be seen as the Holy Spirit because of the fact that she seems to be an Angel, or Angel-like, but she is benevolent. --NorkNork 16:47, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Kaji's Findings

In the End of Evangelion around 6:54 into epidode 25' (AIR), Misato admits to discovering why the second impact truly happened. The information she found - presumably from the capsule that Kaji gave her - only flashes up on the screen for a few frames before being replaced by "DELETED". On the VHS tapes, the quality was low enough so that the information in Kaji's findings was not legible. However, with the release of the DVD version most if not all of the text on the entire page is legible. It starts off with "1. A group comprised primarily of college students living in and around Osaka got together to put on GEHIRN, the ADAM ???tion". At first glance, the text seems to be nonsense, but upon further inspection it seems like a hidden message may be present. Phrases like "Building on this experience, the core members of the con's staff opened 'SECOND IMPACT', an ADAM specialty shop, in SECOND IMPACT." Nonsense when read literally, but the occurance of SECOND IMPACT twice in the sentence in two unlikely places seems to be intentionally wrong. There is also a large block of binary code in the file, though I cannot seem to decode it in any logical form. There are five blocks of seven rows with ten columns, giving 350 binary digits. Unfortunately 350 is not divisible by 8 evenly, so a simple binary->ASCII conversion yields nothing. Does anyone else have any ideas on what this file may be referring to or what the binary code means? Skyfire360 06:35, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Assuming that the binary is not simply random jibberish, it would probably be encoded in terms of kabbalic gematria. Good luck finding one of the binary schemes- they were fairly rare. --maru (talk) contribs 07:29, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Could be anything at all, really. Random filler including a few keyphrases meant to appear legit upon cursory inspection, in-jokes in the vein of the easter eggs in Star Trek's Okudagrams, a hidden message to die-hard fans willing to piece it together or, likelier still, gibberish meant to look like a hidden message and thereby cause said fans to spend hour after futile hour analyzing just what it might mean. I know I will. Now that's good anime! 85.65.93.171 04:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Kaji's findings are actually a reedited version of the synopsis for Otaku no Video, IIRC. I believe it might actually be box copy from Animeigo's release or a synopsis/review from either one of the big anime clubs or one of the first English anime magazines, like Viz's Animerica or Protoculture Addicts. I'll have to go through Usenet again, but I'm pretty sure it was English text appropriated by Gainax to fluff out some screens. --YoungFreud 01:48, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I'm wrong. It's actually a reedited article on the history of Gainax, however, I'm not exactly sure where the source was original from. --YoungFreud 01:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Regarding changes made by 221.116.97.229

221.116.97.229 deleted the following passage from the article:

  • Shinji, Rei, and Asuka represent the Ego, Superego and Id
  • The Magi Supercomputers thought as a Mother/Balthasaur Ego, a Scientist/Melchoir superego, and Woman/Casper Id.
  • Rei and Asuka represent the Thanatos and Eros drives in Shinji's psyche, Shinji himself represents the Destrudo
  • Shinji, Rei, and Asuka represent the Japanese gods Susanoo, Amaterasu, and Ama-no-Uzume
  • Shinji, Rei, and Asuka are respective archetypes of three personality disorders: avoidant (cluster C), schizoid (cluster A), and narcissistic (cluster B).
  • Rei, Shinji, and Asuka represent the three categories of Despair according to Søren Kierkegaard
  • The five children each represent the 5 stages of Death: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, and Acceptance.
  • Gendo, Shinji, and Rei represent the three parts of the Christian Trinity
  • Shinji and Asuka represent Orient and Occident
  • Ritsuko and Misato represent the Antagonism of intellect and emotion
  • Ritsuko represents the industrialised and technocratic north, while Misato stands for the rural south
  • The head of SEELE was thought as the Wandering Jew who desired death after living for so long. It was also meantioned in the voice director's comments on DVD in the movie Death and Rebirth.
  • Toji and Kensuke represent pacifism and militarism
  • Toji and Kensuke are a parody on Harry S. Truman and Douglas MacArthur
  • Entire City was mapped out like a Brain, with names inside Central Dogma named after pyschological properties.

The deletion was on the ground of the information not being valid. However, the article states that these are hypotheses on what the character relations might represent, not facts. I believe that this information is important, and it is not represented as fact. That these interpretations do exist, however, is a fact, and an important one IMHO. Therefore I have restored the section. Please discuss. --NorkNork 18:45, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Without some sort of source, it's suspiciously like original research, though. Circeus 17:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
OK, does anyone have a source on this? --NorkNork 19:03, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry for my late replying. I am a Japanese NGE fan and often discuss NGE on fan's BBS. In Japan many guidebooks which was not authorized by GAINAX had been published for 1996-2000. They suggested many interpretations of NGE like above information. Some of these had a great influensce on quite a few fans. Now, however, most of these are considered no worth discussing. Although someone may find such ideas in NGE, those ideas don't give any merits for other people in watching NGE: moreover bring harmful influence. So Japanese NGE fans deal with only objective evidences such as interviews for stuffs, in public places like Wikipedia. If I write an article "Shinji, Rei, and Asuka represent the Ego, Superego and Id." in Japanese Wikipedia, someone immediately deletes it for the reason "The article is subjective.". -221.116.97.229 08:58, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Respectfully disagreed. I find most of the hypotheses here implausible, as well, but the fact remains that these are all popular interpretations. Evangelion and its symbolism have evoked a truly staggering amount of interpretation over the years, and including this handful of (mostly exclusive) hypotheses is an excellent way of highlighting this, so long as it remains clear that there is no consensus on any of these points. Some items on that list could use editing, though, or just flat-out removal. For instance, "The Magi Supercomputers thought as a Mother/Balthasaur Ego, a Scientist/Melchoir superego, and Woman/Casper Id" is (1) clumsily phrased and (2) not a hypothesis at all, it is explicitly stated within the show, on several occasions. "*Entire City was mapped out like a Brain, with names inside Central Dogma named after pyschological properties" is half explicitly-stated fact (the latter half), and half speculation of a sort which has nothing to do with interpreting symbolism. Which is what the section in question was about, unless I'm mistaken. Re: NorkNork, there won't be a single source covering all of these interpretations, but there will likely be a dozen or so dealing with each. 85.65.93.171 04:31, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

What military anime?

The popular theory among otakus in Japan, who grew up watching military anime which reflect National Shintoist perspective...

What are these animes? -59.143.134.204 16:45, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I, an anonymous Japanese viewer, don't catch the idea either (and, IMHO, most Japanese are not so familiar with Shinto itself as non-Japanese people might think). I should delete these words maybe? --218.42.109.42 18:58, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

You can either add a {{citation needed}} after the phrase in question to point that there are no sources about that statement, or you can just delete it. As it is already documented in this Talk page, anyone who can confirm with verifiable sources will be able to add it again. -- ReyBrujo 19:06, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
First of all, thank you ReyBrujo for your kind advise! Well, I tried to comprehend the sentence anyway, tried to read between the lines, but I just seem to fail. I don't know of "military anime that reflects Shintoism" and although there probably exist some Japanese fans who say about cultural philosophies, but that can't be a "popular theory" anyway - and what contries' philosophies are there to struggle to win described in this anime? So I decided to delete the sentence. --221.170.194.107 14:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Since the military aspect of Shinto was an artificial construct (it was deliberately invented and imposed by the government) around the time of WWII, the statement is not valid.

Shinto broke all ties to nationalism and militarism in 1945 and is more associated with pasafism today than militarism (at least by Japanese, but not by Chinese and Koreans). Whoever wrote that read about Japan in WWII history book.

Characters section

I fixed a lot of grammar issues in this section... and removed this line from the line-item area at the bottom of it:

  • Entire City was mapped out like a Brain, with names inside Central Dogma named after psychological properties.

Can someone (who has gotten more sleep than me perhaps) investigate/clarify/mend this sentence? Kether83 06:17, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


NERV logo

Where does the info on the NERV logo being half a fig leaf come from? For some reason, I always thought it was an oak leaf. --maru (talk) contribs 20:18, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

The Year's at the Spring
by: Robert Browning

The year's at the spring,
And day's at the morn;
Morning's at seven;
The hill-side's dew-pearled;
The lark's on the wing;
The snail's on the thorn;
God's in his Heaven—
All's right with the world!

Yes it is a fig leave. Look here Common Fig --Guille2015 01:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Keel Lorenz = Wandering Jew

Hi,

The Keel Lorenz character is being added to and removed from the Wandering Jew page almost on a weekly basis, which is getting annoying. My personal feeling is that he belongs there and should stay, but I'm no NGE expert qualified to make the case. I was wondering if someone who is could pop over here: Talk:Wandering_Jew and spell out the significance of the character and why he's an important variant on the Wandering Jew legend. Thanks! -- Richfife 22:42, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Keel Lorenz is not the wandering jew. The reference should be removed once and for all and anyone who adds it back is a vandal. Please see the flashback episode of the early seele years. Keel is younger. An immortal doesn't age in a mere 20 years. Case closed. The reference is out. Thanks.--Mark 2000 21:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Name

Why is the sentence "As such, the hard 'g' pronunciation ought to be considered correct." included? The article does a good job explaining why the Greek word is mispronounced in the anime. Why does it go from there to then making the judgement that the mispronouncement is actualy the "correct" pronouncement for us English speakers when talking about the show? Spejic 23:42, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


Tree of Sephiroth more than 'mentioned'

"The Tree of Sephiroth (Tree of Life)—an illustration of ten orbs showing the relationship between heaven and earth—is also mentioned."

It's more than mentioned, it's shown in the opening credits of every episode, and outlined on the floor of the SEEL 'meeting' room. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.227.207.185 (talk • contribs)

I think mentioned is a fair summary, as it is never anymore than shown; visually mentioned, if you will. --maru (talk) contribs 19:10, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you use Anno's books as sources

The methodology the Japanese Wiki folks are using is to read what Anno published (ie.schizoevangelion) so that people don't have controversies about what each characters are representing, whether some symbols are intentional or not. Yes Evangelion is a universal entertainment, it speaks for many people, I value everybody's interpretation (And anno WROTE that he wanted Evangelion to mirror infinate things) but wouldn't you be interested in what Anno's world of representations is like and how he reads it? Wouldn't you like to know for sure what sources he admits he used instead of assuming, judging...etc?

If anybody thinks this maybe helpful, I will start translating some quotes by Anno that I can find (I need some help with English Grammer).

I believe you can qoute foriegn languages as valid citations, but it is best if you could find an official translation. You can paraphrase and cite the foreign language. This should go through as valid reference. --Guille2015 01:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

appropriateness?

Given that most of the espiodes were released with a Parental Guidance certification, is this paragraph really appropriate?

"The unedited / DVD versions are recommended only for ages 15 and up due to scenes of violence, emotional trauma, and sexual themes."

This is POV, and contradicts the certification.

--82.34.112.4 11:10, 16 April 2006 (UTC)perfectblue97

Hmm, I thought it was 14 and up for the original unedited but I think that was mostly due to the intense situations and in D+R and EOE the sexual references, although In the earlier ones there are some vague sexual references as well. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 19:14, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I guess it's worth noting. Adult Swim has a bumper prior to showing Evangelion to the effect of "This show is not recommended for people under seventeen." Also, the Adult Swim website seems to list some episodes as rated TV-14 while others are listed as TV-MA. I guess those could be individual episode ratings while AS simply slapped on a 17+ bumper for all the eps for convenience. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Onslaught Six (talk • contribs) .

Genre info

I'm wondering if mecha is really an appropriate Genre description (see infobox on right side of article) since on the surface it is about mecha but... well I don't want to discuss spoilers but anyone who's seen the entire series knows what I mean about it being a fairly innacurate categorization. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 19:17, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Evangelion is usually classified as Drama, Mecha, Military, Psychological, Science fiction, and Shounen acording to ANN. I would say that either Mecha or Science Fiction seem like the best options for genre. If possible include both. But i dont wish to overpopulate the infobox with genres. --Guille2015 01:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

best collection

Is Neon Genesis Evangelion: Platinum Collection the most complete and 'best' English collection currently available? I feel it would be very beneficial to give the title of the 'best' collection, just as ISBN numbers are often given for books to help readers locate and purchase them. Many visitors interested in Neon Genesis Evangelion would definately find this information very very helpful. 4.89.247.203 00:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

No. Gainax has been milking Evangelion for years with this selection and that collection. Even the movies. They made several versions of the same thing -death & rebirth & revival & end of evangelion, etc. Endless milking through games as well. (Wikimachine 12:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC))

fan service?

what is this "fan service" that is spoken of in the Adult Swim previews for the next episode?

See Fan service, paying especial attention to the section on sexual content. --maru (talk) contribs 22:53, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
I think that 'Sexual' is a bit too strong a word. Most of the NGE fanservice is Misato bending over in tight shorts, smutty but not sexual. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Perfectblue97 (talk • contribs) .

There is a fair bit of nudity in the series from all of the major female characters (moreso in the Director's Cuts of eps. 21-24 in Asuka's case) and Shinji as well, and there are some suggestive scenes, although very little could be interpreted as purely sexual in nature, and those that could be interpreted as such are usually the most tame. End of Evangelion and the manga are more explicit than the series, especially in terms of showing anatomical correctness. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 03:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Evangelion manga

The article states that 10 volumes of the NGE manga have been completed, but VIZ Media's website only lists the first nine. Is there a source for info on the 10th volume? Willbyr (talk • contribs) 01:28, May 21, 2006 (UTC).

Yes, 10 volumes were completed, but only 9 volumes were translated into English. (Wikimachine 12:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC))
I see...is volume 10 going to be translated anytime soon? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 04:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


influences of NGE on media

(Danraz 11:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC))

Hi, I am new to this, but I wanted to update the images for ROBOTS movie scene where Robin Williams character " fender " is holding a spear similar to lance of longinus. how do i do that??? it says require citation but i am not sure how to do that?? please help. Thanks

international versions

I think that the international versions need to be either moved to a seperate page or completely deleted. This is extra information that does not comply for a FA article. Consequently also taking the ratings with it. --Guille2015 01:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Why hasn't this been noted?

About the Human Instrumentality Project. In episode 26 (English Version), one part of it is labeled "The Beast that Shouted 'I' at the Heart of the World". Seeing as the purpose of the project is to merge all humans into one (mentioned in episode 25 by Misato, albiet in a blunt manner), and 26 focuses on Shinji, that pretty much confirms that Shinji would have rejected it, or at least cast a lot of evidence towards that outcome. It's not mentioned in this article about the ending, should it be? 141.150.154.243 15:31, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure that that title is an Instrumentality reference? I thought it was a reference to a Harlan Ellison story. --maru (talk) contribs 18:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
There is no need to speculate. In the alternate ending, you can see what happens. -- ReyBrujo 19:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

New NGE game in the works.

Going to need another sub-article. I'd do it, but I'm tired and I don't want to have to translate word by word. -_---SeizureDog 14:00, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Parental Guidance certificate

"The unedited / DVD versions received a Parental Guidance certificate, though some episodes are considered to be stronger than the certificate might otherwise indicate because they deal with issues of violence, emotional trauma, or contain some mild sexual themes." What does "Parental Guidance certificate" even mean? What country or authority issued it? Citations? I have removed this text for the time being.--Monocrat 19:24, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Do not quote me on this, but I believe this is something the publisher assigns as a way of Informing buyers of what they are buying. The item is Not Rated. but usually companies write the contents or informs in the box what thier percieved rating is. BTW Parential Guidance is same as PG-whatever. Probably stating that kids of any age need to have a Parent or guardian "guiding" them.


Maybe it should be noted that not every episode has been rated PG. In some countries (Britain, for example) Episodes 18 and 19 have been rated 'Not for under 12' for violence and blood while End of Envangelion has been rated 'not for under 15' for the same reasons.

perfectblue97

New DVD release

Looking around the article, I didn't know where to add this, so I'll just mention it here for someone involved in this page - I've just heard that ADV in the US is re-releasing Eva for the 5th time, on a single-run limited edition to come with every single extra thing they can think of.. for $299 o_o. -Goldom (t) (Review) 01:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Debut

If memory serves me, but didn't this show appear on the Sci-Fi network a long time before Adult Swim adopted it? Fllmtlchcb 08:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

List of Fan pages

Just wondering what happened to them? NeoDeGenero 07:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

There is no need to have a list of fan pages. -- ReyBrujo 01:37, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes there is, at least the prominate ones. They are excellent sources of information and hubs of the fandom. They have more merit than some of these external links. Madman's Evangelion page? Give me a break. Eva Otaku, Eva Monkey, Eva Commentary, and The Live Action Evangelion page have more than enough a right to be listed. And what makes Azuma Hiroki's articles important enough to be listed? I can think of numerous articles of equal or greater merit than his. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.2.188.190 (talk • contribs) .
Per the style guide (emphasis mine):

Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such. In extreme cases, a link to a web directory of fansites can replace this link. (Note: fanlistings are generally not informative and should not ordinarily be included.)

If you can determine which of all the fan sites you have in mind is the best, state why it is the best, compare them with others so that other editors can determine if you had done a neutral analysis of the links, then yes, you can add a link to one major fansite. Since this is always impossible (people just replace the existing one with some Geocities page, or add their own links), sometimes it is easier to just only list the official pages. -- ReyBrujo 02:29, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Robots

That item does not look anything to the Spear of Longinus. Maybe they should remove the reference or at least the picture. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by El Chompiras (talk • contribs) .

Article is Big

I find that the article can be considerably reduzed in size. The following seccions can be condensed:

  • Characters
  • Plot summary
  • Response
  • Influences
  • Translation Notes

I dont mean that they should be deleted, just condensed and/or moved to a seperate page if the seccion is that important. Also, it will be good to have a template for this page to place the characters and other information for easy access. --Guille2015 14:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

There is a navigation template already. And you're right, the article is too big. I would go farther however and say that much of what you identify probably can and should be cut per WP:OR.--Monocrat 16:33, 29 June 2006 (UTC)