Talk:Nemesis (mythology)

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Changed "executor" to "executrix," as Nemesis is feminine, and messing with the genders of vengeful women leads to, well, you know...

I'm with you, but the loss even of "actress" from the modern suburban vocabulary has offered us the innocent comedy of List of female actors. snicker Wetman 21:04, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I merged the following text from Nemesis (disambiguation) to Nemesis (mythology):

The name Nemesis is related to the Greek word νείμειν, meaning "to give what is due".
Nemesis has been described as the daughter of Oceanus or Zeus, but according to Hesiod she was a child of Erebus and Nyx. She has also been described as the daughter of Nyx alone. Her cult may have originated at Smyrna.

Someone who knows the topic may want to check this for accuracy. --Cjmnyc 22:34, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pop culture - "Snatch"

I'm removing this quote because it is offensive and adds nothing to the article. Beatdown 18:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

What is offensive about it exactly? I dear hope that you arn't trying to censor Wikipedia... ~ The Haunted Angel 21:05, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
The fact that the quote uses the word cunt and the fact that it has no real relevance to the article make it both offensive and inappropriate. Don't get all concerned about me trying to censor wikipedia. I'm just thinking of what might make this article appear more encyclopedic. Due to the fact that the "Snatch" quote only references the concept of nemesis and retribution and neither the Greek mythology nor the goddess, I don't feel it has any bearing on the article. If anyone can give a legitimate informational reason why the quote from "Snatch" should be retained, please voice it. Beatdown 18:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
It is trivia, and so it will stay whether or not it has the word cunt in it. Cunt may be an offensive word for some, but Wikipedia will not have bits removed just because a single word might offend people. The word 'nigger' is almost certainly more offensive then cunt, yet there are litterally hundreds of articles with that in, one cannot simply remove it because they do not like a particular word in it. ~ The Haunted Angel 19:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
The fact that it is offensive wasn't the primary reason for it's deletion--the fact that the quote adds nothing informational is reason enough for omitting it. Wikipedia is not a collection of trivia. Thanks for the input. Beatdown 00:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Silence made a good point about not including other pop culture references. The Hercules reference should stay because it is directly based on the Nemesis from Greek Mythology, and the Resident Evil reference should because the character's name is, in fact, Nemesis. I edited RE though because his weapon has no bearing on being called Nemesis. Thoughts? Oh, and before reverting or adding anything, please discuss here. Beatdown 01:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Listen, this makes a direct reference to the Goddess Nemesis, and what she personifies, there is no need to remove it, and if you are complaining that it adds nothing to the article, then remove the whole section. ~ The Haunted Angel 15:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
DoneBeatdown 17:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Good. I'd rather it had all stayed, but I don't want specific things picked out, at least this way, there will be no more disputes. ~ The Haunted Angel 17:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "rides in a chariot drawn by griffins" [sic]

Since September 2002 this article has ended with this image, which I don't know from any surviving iconic representation, nor in literature. Not even in Nonnus' extravagant Dionysiaca. I may be missing something essential; but has it simply crept in from a modern fantasy, from a Tarot card or a Frank Frazetta poster or the like? --Wetman 00:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nemesis' duality at Smyrna

"..., but may have to do with the same reasons why the virginal Artemis was worshipped more like a fertility goddess at her temple at Ephesus." This is not a useful explanation: the "virginal" aspect of Artemis was not an aspect of the "Lady of Ephesus", whom Greeks identified with Artemis. Greeks recognized there was only an approximate fit between the two goddesses, and Greek writers contnued to use the form "Mistress of Ephesus". There was no duality at Ephesus, so this isn't a useful explanation for Nemesis at Smyrna. --Wetman 17:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Former Great Goddess"

The passage "She is the implacable executrix of justice—that of Zeus in the Olympian scheme of things—but it was clear she existed before him, for her images associate her with several goddesses who are manifestations of the former Great Goddess: Cybele, Rhea, Demeter and Artemis" lacks a cite and seems to refer directly to the Murray Thesis of a prehistoric monotheistic goddess cult that has been thoroughy discredited over the years as false. It should probably be removed, or explained further and cited. Dinoguy2 10:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Changed. Disinclination 03:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Sophmores quickly learn to dismiss all pre-Olympian cult and myth in just such terms. Margaret Murray's discussion of Nemesis, if there is one, well might be addressed in this article, even if to dismiss it out of hand: that would be a good task for Dinoguy2, it would seem. Some citation of Lewis R. Farnell, The Cults of the Greek Sates vol. II, chapter xiv (Nemesis), on the other hand, might improve this article. I don't have it. --!Wetman 08:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Leda/Nemesis

Isn't Leda the mother of the twins? And isn't it also Leda who has an "encouter" with Zeus in the form of a swan?!?

Another account of the