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Contents 1 Archaic undated, unsigned comments 2 Map 3 Super beaches and NPOV 4 External links 5 Nelson's Māori name, Whakatū 6 Population Growth 7 Weather averages for Nelson, New Zealand inaccurate 8 Table of Contents (TOC) position 9 General article 10 Geography of Nelson

[edit] Archaic undated, unsigned comments

This article could use some NPOV. Also how is "the geographical Centre of New Zealand" calculated? Does it include all islands?

The geographical centre of NZ is basically a marketing thing for Nelson's tourism. The actual centre has been variously calculated as either in the ocean, in a mudflat, or in a sewage treatment pond. Obviously, the top of a hill with a nice bush-lined track leading up to it is much better for Nelson's tourism :)

New comment: I don't want to hurt your feelings, but I agree about the NPOV. Although very beautiful, I find it a very hard place to actually live. People who move here say it's very cliquey. After 6 years, I would leave if I could. I didn't want people to move here without being warned. Maybe all tourist spots are just like that, I don't know.

"Nice place to visit, but they wouldn't want you to live there" (John Cleese - 'Life and How to Survive It')

New Comment: I disagree; I am very contented living in Nelson. I do not find it "cliquey" at all.

Newer Comment: I moved to Nelson from America almost a year ago and love it. Kiwi's are the greatest people in the world.

nelson rocks: i think nelson has many great advantages over marlborough

[edit] Map

I've no idea why the map is listing as missing: I've re-uploaded it and tweaked the link.dramatic 05:57, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Super beaches and NPOV

IP addresses keep adding the word "super" to describe the beaches. While agreeable, this statement violates the NPOV. I can't fix it anymore today, as that would violate the 3RR. Someone, please help keep this article neutral! --Gray Porpoise 01:18, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

If there are sources that describe Nelson's beaches as "Super" and no sources that state they are not "super" then a NPOV mandates that we say Nelson's beaches are "super" too in the article. WP is not concerned with arbitrating truth or opinions - merely summarising in a balanced way all referenced points of view. W. Frank ✉ 22:45, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links

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[edit] Nelson's Māori name, Whakatū

I've reverted the non-consensual excision of Nelson's Māori name, Whakatū, from the lede. Maori is one of NZ's 3 official languages and, if I live long enough, I will propose to one of my children that they propose a special resolution of the City Council to ratify this name on 5 June 2007 - although what Nelson's bypass was named may give you a clue as to whether this name is "official" or not: Whakatu Drive. And yes, I am biased considering that my children are at least genetically 41% Maori ...Gaimhreadhan^{(kiwiexile at DMOZ)} • 15:17, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

PS: Is your friend ever going to collect his dog kennel, Hayden?

I've changed the Infobox following (preliminary?) discussion at Wikipedia:New_Zealand_Wikipedians'_notice_board#M.C4.81ori_names I hope you're feeling a bit better now, G. W. Frank ✉ 21:46, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm very much looking forward to seeing my family and Gadfium; I've left the keys to the Transit on your mantelpiece. Thanks for steering the Maori naming discussion in a more temperate way than I probably could have managed...Gaimhreadhan^{(kiwiexile at DMOZ)} • 12:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Population Growth

I have removed the unreferenced statement about the Nelson urban area having the largest population growth in the country. According to Statistics New Zealand, [1] Nelson experienced 4.2% growth between 2001 and 2006. The national average was 8.4%. dramatic 08:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

There is a distinction between the statistics for the City of Nelson unitary authority area and "The Nelson urban agglomeration (including the fast-growing adjacent town of Richmond)". I will try and find a reputable source for the text you excised that it: "has a population of approximately 60,000 - and has recently had a population growth rate exceeding any other population centre in New Zealand."W. Frank ✉ 10:29, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Weather averages for Nelson, New Zealand inaccurate

Quite a few of the temperatures in the table are inaccurate, for example the yearly average minimum of 47 in Fahrenheit and 7 in Celsius. 47 Fahrenheit is 8.33 Celsius.

The biggest error is for September, in Fahrenheit, the average minimum is given as a rather cold 32 Fahrenheit but in Celsius, it is given as a much milder 5 degrees. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.158.177.163 (talk)

I suppose that comes from using an American source. I'll go and check the source again W. Frank talk ✉  22:37, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I've double checked and you're correct. Sorry I made the error when I was transposing them. I've added a Notes section now so you can double check the source I used if you would be so kind? W. Frank talk ✉  22:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Table of Contents (TOC) position

People access WP using a variety of screen resolutions and operating systems. I believe that all NZ geographic articles now have the Infobox.

The lede paragraphs are always intended to be just a short introduction to (and encapsulation of) the rest of our article.

For the mast majority of readers, it will be a better use of their screen space to have the lede in a "newspaper column" with the TOC to the left and the infobox to the right. This format achieves the minimum "white space" and waste of screen resources and leads to the minimum amount of scrolling needed to read to the end of the article. It is also aesthetically more pleasing.

Those few users that dislike this format can always "toggle off" the TOC display.

Does anyone disagree and, if so, why please? W. Frank talk ✉  13:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] General article

This article is confused and really bitty, it could read so much better if someone was willing to do an overhaul and incorporate all the little sentances into paragraphs with facts and references. There is a lot to write but it needs order!Nengscoz416 (talk) 04:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Geography of Nelson

7th form geog at Waimea we studied Tasman bay, tahunanui slump, the cut etc and i can say that the section in this article is awful and mostly wrong. I have changed some but it really needs looking at asap.Nengscoz416 (talk) 04:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)