Talk:Neila Sathyalingam

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Good article Neila Sathyalingam has been listed as one of the Arts good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can delist it, or ask for a reassessment.
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[edit] Neila Sathyalingam's name in Tamil script

Would a knowledgable editor please add Neila Sathyalingam's name in Tamil script to the article? Thanks. Cheers, Jacklee 20:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

This has been done. Thanks very much! Cheers, Jacklee 18:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Another comment re improvement of article

  • Can a See also section be added which lists related internal (Wikipedia) articles in alphabetical order. For instance check out the What links here page.
  • Check out the guidelines on WikiProject Biography; things are starting out very well.
  • Could any more sections be added to contribute to the broadness... see for example the guidelines set at Template:Biography.SriMesh | talk 03:09, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your comments. I don't think a "See also" section is needed at the moment, as I can't think of any other articles that need to be referred to in such a section which are not already mentioned in the article. Perhaps if other editors think of any, they can insert such a section. As for expanding the article in other ways, I don't have any additional information on the subject that I can add at this time. I suppose someone knowledgable about Barathanatyam dance and Neila's choreography style could say something more about that, but unfortunately that person is not me. Cheers, Jacklee 10:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Command performance?

The article now states:

In 1954, she won the gold medal at the All-Ceylon Dance Festival and was selected to perform for Queen Elizabeth II when Sri Lanka gained its independence.

I don't believe the cited source supports that, as it says nothing about independence. And was not Ceylon already independent before Elizabeth became Queen? Kablammo 22:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC) I have deleted the last quoted phrase as the Singapore Infopedia reference does not support it, and the phase is inconsistent with the chronology of independence. Kablammo 23:13, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

The information was from the Straits Times article of 20 August 2007, which is not available on-line. According to the article "History of Sri Lanka", Sri Lanka achieved dominion status in February 1948, but only full independence in 1970. I suppose the performance that Neila Sathyalingam took part in was to celebrate a visit that Queen Elizabeth II made to the island after it became a dominion. Should we reinsert the information? Cheers, Jacklee 10:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

1948 is given as the date of independence, even thought Ceylon remained a dominion and did not become a republic until much later. Other former British colonies also date their independence from dominion status; some retained that status yet still consider themselves fully independent. Perhaps 1954 contained some event significant in Ceylon's transition from colony to dominion to republic, but if so that event is not mentioned in Wikipedia's several articles on Sri Lanka and its history. Elizabeth's April 1954 visit to Ceylon took place in her round-the-world tour of Commonwealth countries and lands.[1]. Feel free of course to insert information in the piece, but your article stands up very well without it, and the Straits Times piece may be mistaken as the royal visit did not seem to be connected with independence. Kablammo 12:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I've made a minor amendment to the article to state the reason for Elizabeth II's visit to Sri Lanka in 1954, but otherwise have not mentioned anything about the visit being linked to Sri Lanka's independence. Cheers, Jacklee 17:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good article

I very much enjoyed reading this article and it meets all of the GA criteria. I thought the lead section was a particularly good summary of the article. Congratulations! Johnfos 02:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

While this article overall looks very good, why was this passed with the 'no free image' placeholder in the infobox? This actually seems to be a serious problem with criterion 3 of the good article criteria. It also, IMHO, SHOULDN'T even be an issue when there are two other images used later in the article that could replace the placeholder. I would've placed this article on hold pending the image issue, as the rest of the article is really good. Please find a suitable GFDL image to replace the placeholder, or I will list this article at WP:GA/R for delisting. Dr. Cash 02:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Why should a placeholder in the infobox be a problem, much less a "serious" one? Criterion 3 of "Wikipedia:What is a good article?" merely requires the article to be "broad in its coverage", that is, to "[address] the major aspects of the topic" and "[stay] focused on the topic without going into unnecessary details". And if you are thinking of criterion 6, that states: "It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic" [emphasis added]. Although two free images are used in the article, neither are of the subject, Neila Sathyalingam. One is of Neila's teacher, and the other is of a child Bharatanatyam dancer. At the moment, no free image of Neila Sathyalingam is available. Cheers, Jacklee 04:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Non of those pictures are that of Neila's. It is general pictures explianing rthe paragraphs. It is easy to be fooled to think that those pictures belong to NeilaTaprobanus 20:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I do not see how the infobox not having an image is related to GA criterion 3. GA criterion 6, which applies here, has a note which states: "A lack of images does not disqualify the article from GA status". Finding and uploading a fair use image would not be difficult, but the anti-fair use brigade would never allow it. Unless Wikipedia's (overly restrictive) image policies are changed, or you wish to take the article to the endless nitpicking and incivility that is FAC, the article does not need an image. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 03:30, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Where she lives

Neila now lives with Nandana and often comes and watches the class. I TAKE CLASSES WITH NANDANA. It should be mentioned that she lives in Canberra. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.129.38.25 (talk • contribs) 10:13 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I have two comments: (1) Are you saying that Neila now lives with her daughter Nandana in Canberra, Australia? (2) Do you have any reference for this (a newspaper, magazine or website article, for instance)? I'm afraid that, without more evidence, we can't really take your word for it. Cheers, Jacklee 13:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent edits

Hi, recently an editor at IP address 203.78.12.21 added the following paragraphs were added to the article:

Mrs. Neila Sathyalingam has three daughters and one son. Her eldest daughter Mohana is a classical carnatic musician who trained under Srimathi D.K.Pattamal and received her Post Graduate Diploma in Bharata Natyam from Kalakshetra, under the tutelage of Srimathi Rukmini Devi Arundale. Mohana teaches both classical music and dancing with Mrs. Neila Sathyalingam at Apsaras Arts, Singapore and sings for most, if not, all of the Apsaras Arts dance performances. As Mohana can play the Nattuvangam, she is regarded as one of the top five singers in the world for Bharata Natyam concerts. Mohana is married to Harendran Chelvadurai and they have two sons, Abhimandran and Eylendran.

Mrs. Neila Sathyalingam's second daughter Nandana is classical Bharata Natyam Dancer and she teaches at Apsaras Arts, Canberra, Australia. Nandana also received her training under Srimathi Rukmini Arundale and her dance company in Australia has produced many eminent Australian dancers. Nandana is married to Dr. Narendran Chellappah and they have three children, Nishalini; Nithyarupini and Nihilesh.

Mrs. Neila Sathyalingam's third daughter Shanthana is the Legal Officer for the National Library Board. Skanda is Mrs. Neila Sathyalingam's only son. He was born in 1964 and contracted encephalitis during the epidemic that struck Ceylon in December 1964. He remains a great source of inspiration for the family and Mrs. Neila Sathyalingam credits him with propelling her to strive for excellence in the Arts and in all that, she seeks to achieve in her artistic life.

These paragraphs were removed from the article by another editor because they lacked references. However, they do seem to contain some useful information. If you were the editor who inserted these paragraphs, are you able to state the source of the information? — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 22:52, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I am the editor who removed those paragraphs from the article. Besides being unsourced, the paragraphs were added in the wrong place - the "Notes" section. Furthermore, that this article is a biography of a living person and the information was added by an anonymous editor prompted me to err on the side of removal. The article already has a "Personal life" section; some of the information the anonymous editor added could be integrated into that section. Only information that is relevant, BLP-compliant and can be referenced to a reliable source should be integrated.
Jacklee, you are the primary contributor to two Singapore-related GAs (this article and Sources of Singapore law), and have two more sitting at GAN (Flag of Singapore and Singapore Stone). May I take this opportunity to commend you for your quality contributions to Singapore-related articles, and encourage you to keep up the good work. By the way, Singapore Stone's GA nomination is currently on hold; you have seven days to address the minor issues raised by the GA reviewer.
--J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 01:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Hildanknight (or should that be J.L.W.S.?). Yes, I saw your user name on the history page. You did the right thing in removing the edit. I thought I would just transfer the text to the talk page as it seemed like the anonymous editor knew what he or she was talking about. I'm a little peturbed by the fact that the article may have inaccurately stated the number and sex of Neila Sathyalingam's children! Guess we'll have to wait and see if the editor responds with references. Yup, hope to work on "Singapore Stone" soon. — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 01:47, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

You may call me either Hildanknight or J.L.W.S., although I prefer the latter. Anonymous editors usually know hardly anything about Wikipedia (for example, that edits to articles are often discussed on talk pages), so I doubt this one will respond. Perhaps you could do a little more research and try to find references for the information the anonymous editor added. For now, addressing the issues that led to Singapore Stone's GA nomination being placed on hold should be your top priority. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 02:41, 20 November 2007 (UTC)