Talk:Neil Young/Archive2 - 2007

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[edit] Origin

Per the rules set out in the following link his place of origin is Winnipeg, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Musical_artist#OriginBigRockFan (talk) 09:07, 17 December 2007 (UTC) Edit-BigRockFan (talk) 09:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neil from Winnipeg

Since Neil Young himself considers Winnipeg his hometown, as in evidenced in the lyrics in the song, "It's a Dream" where he says "the Red River still flows through my hometown," and he refers to Winnipeg as the city "where I grew up" in the film "Heart of Gold," I think it is valid to list Neil Young as being "from Winnipeg." He was born in Toronto but lived their only briefly before moving to rural Ontario and then to Winnipeg, where his musical career began.

However Neil is quoted as saying he spent his "formative years" in Omemee, Ontario. (See the song "Helpless" ). He didn't move to Winnipeg until he was 12. --Thorpe4259@rogers.com 20:06, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Handicapped son

How many children with cerebral palsy does Neil Young have? According to this article as it now reads, he has two: Zeke (by Carrie Snodgress) at the end of the "Breakthrough as a Solo Artist" section, and Ben (by Pegi)in "Experimental Years." Somebody who knows please verify and/or correct.

Two it is. They didn't know what was the matter with Zeke for a long time because his case is very mild. He is mostly able to live a normal life, unlike Ben who is quadriplegic and nonoral and communicates with a Stephen Hawking-like device. --Bluejay Young 06:51, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

In the article for Trans, it states Ben was autistic, but here it cites him as having cerebral palsy. I don't get how anyone could have gotten those mixed up.

Most people think a child who cannot speak must be deaf or autistic. One of the programs they had Ben in turned out to be a cult and both Neil and Peg were thoroughly brainwashed. My guess is that at the time Re*ac*tor and then Trans were released Neil had been thoroughly isolated so the child's true condition was misunderstood because Neil was not there to explain it. Most reviews I read at the time stated that Ben was autistic and that Neil's experiments with electronic music were part of his search to find a way to communicate with or "reach" him. Why the article for Trans still refers to Ben as autistic I haven't a clue as his actual condition is now well known. Neil explains his search to find appropriate physical therapy for Ben, and how it affected his music, in Shakey, reprinted here. --Bluejay Young 16:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)








[edit] Filmography

I just made this, a template of Neil's composer films:

v • d • e
Film with soundtracks composed by Neil Young

Can somebody sub' it in? Thanks. Black-Velvet 11:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I removed that template from the article. I think it's a bit misleading to say those films had soundtracks composed by Neil Young when most of them only featured one song of his. Wouldn't it make more sense to say "Films which feature music by Neil Young" or something? Thanks.Conor 18:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)





[edit] Current dispute about Neil's full name

Re the current disagreement. A life-long Neil Young fan, I have long believed Neil's full name to be Neil Percival Kenneth Robert Ragland Young. I notice that attempts to change the article to reflect this full name have been reverted: I'm not saying I - and those trying to change the article - am right, I'm just asking if it is known for fact that this is wrong? A search reveals plenty of websites which name him as above - just a case of bad information spreading? Thanks. -- Delsource (talk) 00:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Click on the highest star icon for a "little known fact" (sic):
Clearly there is some basis for the position of the recent (mostly anonymous) editors, and I think the accusation of vandalism is just wrong. Does recent editing activity represent an "...addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia"? -- Delsource (talk) 00:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Just watching the article recently, I can see why the reverts were attributed to vandalism. It looked on its face like someone just inserted their name into the article, as is common in other vandalism attempts. However, the listed name does have a print reference. Note that the name controversy is mentioned on the Trivia page. Bulbous 04:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough. I've added it to "Trivia" with a link to the movie site. -- Delsource (talk) 12:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Well..

Weird that there ain't any discussion around his very very heavy drugs/cocaine use in the 70's and 80's here. I mean, I'm a big Neil fan and all, but the guy was completely not present in the 70's. Com'on, they did like fried marihuana and honey during the recording of On the Beach. Just a little weird. --Yardan 20:17, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree, it does seem brushed over. It does however make references to anti-drug songs in the main article and other related articles, which give an impression of an anti-drug campaigner. I would like someone with more concrete links and experience add some information on this subject. --Steve hill4 23:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

From the "On the Beach" article on Wikipedia:

"Throughout the recording of the album, Young and his fellow musicians consumed a homemade concoction dubbed "Honey Slides", a goop of sauteed marijuana and honey that was, in manager Elliot Roberts' words, "...much worse than heroin. Much heavier." (Shakey: Neil Young's Biography, Jimmy McDonough)." Not to mention The Last Waltz issue with the cocaine hanging out of Neil's nose. Someone should get some links and do a paragraph about it, since it has rally affected alot of his work. --Yardan 14:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Claims that those 'honey slides' are worse than heroin may be massively exagerated. Let's use our heads here people.Conor 18:49, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Like I say, I really don't have quite the knowledge to edit it myself, but would like to see it. I have read the references to cocaine usage, seen comments referring to other dabbling in illegal substances, but I am not an expert on the matter. I think you, Yardan, should go ahead and write the paragraph for now as best you see fit. After all, it's wikipedia and if someone wants to edit your input, they can do and we continue the discussion here after. No biggie. Steve hill4 00:29, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

A honey slide is nothing but fried cannabis mixed with honey. The potency would depend on the freshness of the weed. I think a lot of things got exaggerated in Shakey as people like Roberts were remembering years later. Neil only stopped using cannabis after his aneurysm sugery according to interviews. I'm not crazy about putting too much about his drug use in the article, any more than there should be too much of a digression on cerebral palsy or epilepsy in the article. However, Steve Hill is right, write it how you want it and it can be tweeked. --Bluejay Young 06:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hank To Hendrix

Is anyone else with me that the subject matter of "From Hank To Hendrix" is Hank Marvin and not Hank Williams? I know both are influences in Neil's life in one way or another, but most people who know about Hank Marvin agree it is him, not Williams. I edited the main Neil Young article about a year or so ago to correct the link to Marvin, not Williams and after that day never checked back until today. It now links back to Hank Williams. The first person to import a strat to England was Hank Marvin, it was then later popularised by the English based guitarist Jimi Hendrix.

Since there is this connection between the two, and Neil sings of a guitar, there are three options. The link is changed to Marvin. The link remains to Williams, (which I see no logic in, beyond Neil's country stylings). The link(s) in the song title on this page are removed and remain removed to avoid dispute.

Steve hill4 23:50, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I have also changed the link to Marvin on several occasions. Neil has mentioned before that Marvin was one of his biggest inspirations as a guitarist (for his instrumental work) which would make sense as back in his Squires days, Neil was mainly playing instrumentals. I also recall reading Young saying that when he started playing guitar it was for intrumentals, and that "words didnt come until much later" (this may have been in Shakey, I'll have to check). I highly doubt Hank Williams' influence was felt until years later. "Prairie Wind" most likely generated the idea that "From Hank to Hendrix" was referring to Williams with "This Old Guitar" and so forth. I second changing the link to Marvin.

Hstfreak 00:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

A reasonable Neil Young fan, but lacking in his videos and books. I'll have to get Shakey. Anyway, I have read others stating similar sentiments and agree it either needs to be changed or the link removed. I will change it back again and wait to see someone else argue that it was Williams. If anyone disagrees, please discuss here first. Steve hill4 21:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

To further emphasize my point, Neil apparently contributed to the album "Twang! A Tribute to Hank Marvin & the Shadows". See the official Neil Young website discography if you don't believe me. Glad to see it hasn't been changed back to Williams for long/at all yet. Steve hill4 21:22, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I personally suspect that it's Williams being referred to; while Neil Young is certainly a great admirer of Marvin, the inclusion of Jimi Hendrix, Madonna, and Marilyn Monroe in the song's lyrics suggest that he's referring to popular icons, rather than artists who have been especially significant to him (is he a big Madonna fan?). That said, I don't have a source for this, so I'm just removing the Wikilink entirely unless somebody can provide a reliable source one way or another. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 07:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citizenship

Neil Young sings a song Impeach the president. I believed he was Canadian — thus it would seem a bit out of taste that he should meddle into US politics. Or did he get dual citizenship? David.Monniaux 21:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

As Neil said in an interview regarding this very subject, he's a Canadian, and has lived in the United States for 40 years, has been paying American taxes for 40 years, now has an American wife, and has American children. Rdvdijk 00:35, 7 April 2007 (CET)
What does this have to do with the article? Bulbous 13:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
You might want to ask these questions on Rust or lj-neilyoungfans or some other site that discusses Neil... --Bluejay Young 06:42, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Always Canadian, but lived and worked in the USA for so long most consider him an American, officially or otherwise. But I agree, this is an article discussion page, not message board. Steve hill4 21:26, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Well put Steve...There seems to be too much of this irrelevant discussion and personal opinion on Wikipedia.24.224.148.169 20:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Age upon moving to Winnipeg

The article mentions that the 12 year old Neil moved back to Winnipeg, MB but the next paragraph says "When the 14 year old .. arrived in Winnapeg" Which is it? 12 or 14Fr33kMan 03:23, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Guitar Equipment

I see there's a section on some of the guitars Neil Young uses but there's now mention of his unique amp/effects set-up. Does anyone have any good info/references? Doozy88 15:42, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps this (and especially the links at the bottom) could be worked in? http://www.thrasherswheat.org/friends/cragg.htm --Bluejay Young 15:57, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Keep on Rocking in the Free World and Berlin

I lived in Berlin when the Wall went down and danced a little gig on top of it. While I understand why the Germans wouldn't necessarily connect the song with that particular moment, I can attest personally that it was played during that time. Either a radio station or some other entity had speakers set up and was playing music on Nov 9/10 1989 when we were all dancing the victory polka. I can recall two specific songs that I heard when I was on top of the Wall. One was Minnie the Moocher, the other Keep on Rocking in the Free World. It is a specifically American song, so it may not have help any importance to the Germans, but to the thousands of Americans in Berlin, it resonated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.35.244.114 (talk)

It was certainly played on American television accompanying clips of the wall coming down, but I've got none of those clips on file, unfortunately. --Bluejay Young 15:56, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Influence, Importance, and Inspiration.

Neil Young did not write For What It's Worth, Stephen Stills did. See Shakey, pages 200-201. --GDC, September 25, 2007