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An impromptu deletion-related discussion occured on the talk page of this article from March 6, 2005 and was not concluded until February 8, 2006. This discussion occured out of procedure, without proper templates or a separate AfD page, and lasted almost a year. The result of the discussion was a virtually unanimous keep. An archived record of this discussion can be found here.


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[edit] Dumbledore

In the section about Potter Puppet Pals, it mentions that Dumbledore often strips off his clothes in the videos and that foreshadows JKR's statement that Dumbledore was gay. Am I missing something? It seems like quite a leap to go from public nudity to homosexuality. 70.157.79.165 (talk) 02:18, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's no good. Removed. tgies (talk) 04:20, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Falsetto

It says he is in the category of falsettos. Is he REALLY a falsetto??? Leemorrison 13:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

He has said that any female-sounding background vocals in his songs are him in falsetto, and he does sing in falsetto occasionally, but I don't know if that qualifies him for the "falsettos" group. 71.114.90.217 15:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PoV

"Cicierega created one of the most original genres of Flash animation..." This bit probably doesn't belong in Wikipedia, which doesn't want content that expresses an opinion. What would be the best way to express this in a more neutral way? AdamAtlas 02:56, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

How about "Some believe that Cicierega created one of the most original genres of Flash animation..." JoeyETS 00:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The change is good, much more accurate as well as unbiased. JoeyETS 22:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion Vote

Vote for Deletion again - If every 17 year old internet geek had an article on Wikipedia then there would be twice as many pages as there are now. Seriously - this guy in unknown to 99.9999% (approximately) of the world's population. Maybe his 'invention' deserves a stub, but I doubt he does. Arcturus 21:54, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Next time you would like to put something on AfD, please do so using the procedures found at WP:AFD. The problem with not following the outlined procedure is that you get a page like this that has had an AfD discussion on the talk page for about a year, with nobody concluding it because it doesn't use the proper templates and does not have a discussion of its own. Since the vast majority of votes on this page are keep I am going to be bold and "conclude" it, moving the AfD-related contents of the talk page to a separate archive, and adding a "survived pseudo-AfD" notice to the top of the page. --TexasDex 02:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Quite frankly he's prolific enough to warrant his own site. Even as a mere "internet celebrity".203.131.167.26 13:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Neil is a teen-geek idol. He is very famous in that crowd, a veritable genius to some. He deserves an entry here. Middleearthhare 21:57, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe Neil is extremely relevent and his disputes with Eric Bauman should be documented in this and Eric's article. 70.90.61.57 (talk) 17:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ultimate Showdown: Should It Get It's Own Article?

I voted down the presence of Ultimate Showdown's article a while ago. Back then it wasn't significant, important, or anything. However, now it seems to have become a very, very big online hit and has a cult following big enough to result in incredible increase in traffic to Cicierega's weblog, forums, and ultimately way more album orders. I was thinking; now that it's become such a significant thing, should it have it's own article again? The "list of characters" is rather cumbersome and near-irrelevant to Cicierega himself here, and the huge stuff about it makes it feel like it's all Cicierega is when it isn't. Tenniru 00:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


The Ultimate Showdown seems fine where it is, but the "list of fighters" section is more than a little superfluous.

Yeah, I don't think it's important enough to be on the main article either. In fact, it's a bit useless. Any thoughts on if it'd be good to remove it? Tenniru 21:24, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] discography

is dimes an actual cd? cause i think it isn't. it's not on Neil's discography page.

I have a copy of Dimes, it's real. Was sold via the old mp3.com cd printing/online sales combo method along with the other Trapezoid albums like Microwave This CD.

[edit] Lemon Demon

I'm thinking that there may be enough information on Lemon Demon for it to be given its own main article. (Lemon Demon currently redirects here.) Neil is putting together a live band; at past performances they've been a duo, Neil with his friend Alora Lanzillotta as the bassist, but they are now working with a guitarist and drummer, so Lemon Demon will soon be more than Neil. I think the fact that Lemon Demon is frequently played by Dr. Demento meets the WP:MUSIC notability guidelines. Any thoughts? —Adam Atlas 03:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe that Lemon Demon had its own page before, but it was decided that it would be deleted and merged with this one. I could be mistaken. Andrew zot 16:53, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I also think it should have it's own article. Adamatlas said, they've been performing live shows and they're more of a band now. Plus their music has been made into many flash movies and is being distributed across the net. Leemorrison 23:04, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Website

Just tried to access lemondemon.com and found it not responding. Anyone know if this is an on-going issue, should links be updated?--Crossmr 00:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Dude your internet sucks, it works fine for me
Yeah its fine today. But at the time I posted I tried for about 15 minutes and it was 404. Make sure to sign your posts, so we know day and time you post.--Crossmr 03:51, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
That domain sees a lot of traffic and occasionaly goes over its bandwidth. Sometimes you have to wait until the end of the month before it comes back. --User:Monotonehell 12:00, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lemonic Demonade

Was this event worthy of putting the the article? It sounds like Neil intends for this to be an annual event... —XSG 03:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

No, I think it's supposed to be a quiet and personal thing, not an annual rock fest. Ashibaka tock 04:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Neil has made a passing mention of it on his LiveJournal, although it was nothing more than a "see you next year". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.91.230.250 (talk • contribs) . 13:32, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Um, is there any reason to think that this is any more than just a glorified house party? --128.111.215.14 18:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other names?

Neil is also known by several names not mentioned at the beginning of this artical. He has also has music produced under the names "Trapezoid", "Deporitaz", and "MEGO vs. SPAGO". Should this be mentioned at the beginning with the others? 24.144.151.182 20:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Trapezoid and Deporitaz are the same thing, and MEGO vs. SPAGO isn't nearly important enough to be mentioned at the beginning, seeing as we only know of two songs done under that name. --BranER 22:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Picture

Perhaps there should be a new, clearer picture of Neil at the upper portion of the article? I just thought this might be a good idea seeing as this is the article on Neil Cicierega the person, not just his band. Depending on how exactly things work, there are multiple pictures throughout the Internet of his face, recent ones. Captainstoat 02:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Composition

Neil has done compositional work on a number of short films. Though I'm not sure a complete list is necessary, I think the volume of work produced merits at least a mention. http://www.lemondemon.com/lemondemon/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3679 - 206.75.99.84 20:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Links

Should we make the video links head to WikiLemon articles for the videos instead of the videos themselves? WikiLemon has a lot more useful stuff pertaining to the video, such as transcripts, trivia, and stuff Neil said about the videos. --BranER

[edit] Source

I just edited the opening paragraph to say not that he had a fan following but instead that his videos became popular and were watched millions of times. These facts are included in the Boston Globe article in the references section, so the need for citation is gone. Is this okay? Does anybody have thoughts? JoeyETS 18:33, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Whomever thought the claim about him being a multiple rapist would be funny needs to grow up. I've removed it; let's not require an edit protection on all of Wikipedia, eh? Berym 13:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC) dude, you are not serious. that ACTUALLY happened? has everyone stooped to the level of ebaum?!?oh wow.--Demoncat 23:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Cleanup

I have done some cleansing in this article. Much of the informations in this article was about his life, the software he uses and a long list of pretty much everything he ever released on the Internet. He truly deserves a wikipedia article but it should stick to what makes him worthy of one: his known work, his status of the internet, etc. and not a long list of what he has done and how he did it. I understand it's easier to find information on an vivid Internet than for a extremely known composer such as Hans Zimmer —Preceding unsigned comment added by WillTheHedgehog (talk • contribs) 14:16, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

I have done some more cleanup, in particular to provide a more neutral point of view. The cleanup tag is still on the article. I leave it to the Wikipedia community to determine if and when it should be removed. The article could use some basic biographical information, for example when and where was he born. Truthanado 16:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Potter Puppet Pals

Given the extreme amount of views for The Mysterious Ticking Noise and its significant popularity above that of even The Ultimate Showdown, is it not worthy of its own article by now? --Mattgcn —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.96.99.223 (talk) 22:02, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I would say so and support the creation of such an article, however I am unfamiliar with the relevancy rules of wikipedia so am unsure if PPP is in fact relevant enough to warrant its own article. The Light6 11:55, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I doubt there's enough information to credit an article of its own. Plus, some wu seem to have a personal vendetta against pages off the internet (e.g. chocolate rain fiasco) 88.110.172.27 (talk) 05:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Is it notable that in Wizard Swears they insult Neville's mother, who is insane at St. Mungo's? The scene seemed a little insensitive. Pizzadinosaur (talk) 01:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Insensitive to an imaginary person. --76.27.38.164 (talk) 11:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I support this movement! Though I'm a nobody so it probably doesn't matter what I say...I dunno though, it would be nice if there was a little more elaboration. Like, I've been told he does the voices for all of them, but then why is there credit for three other people in his videos? Do they just hold the puppets? But like I said, I'm just an average lurker for the most part.75.2.21.75 (talk) 03:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, the other creditted people are usually puppet holders. --67.204.199.151 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 00:42, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

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