User talk:Necator

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[edit] Blocked

Your behaviour leads me to believe that, sincere though you undoubtedly are, you are either unwilling or unable to work with others productively. Your obsessive attempts to get your own preferred text into an article, in violation of WP:OWN, your focus on the individuals with whom you are in dispute rather than the content, and your ultimate belief that you are a bearer of The Truth™ rather than accepting that others views may be valid, constitute disruption well beyond the benefit you bring to this project. I would suggest to you that you are probably in the wrong place. if you want to Right Great Wrongs, the place to do it is your own web site, not Wikipedia.

For now, however, you are blocked. I'm guessing you can be unblocked when you show signs of understanding why what you are doing is wrong, and come up with a credible suggestion of how you can resolve the conflict by compromise rather than belligerence, which is all you've tried so far. Guy (Help!) 11:01, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Sure I am the root of all evil. And Jtrainor is an angel. What about benefits, as I've got from list of Jtrainor's cotributions, edit wars is his usual behavior. BTW, just now there is one more case opened for mediation with Jtrainor [1]. There were wikiquiette alert as well [2]... And if you think I am a POV pusher or something, why don't you let me finish this by bringing it to final step arbitration, coz Jtrainor is just rejected to participate in mediation? (here) So arbitration committee could ban me as a result. At least it will be decision of many, not your own. But it seems like you are not considering the possibility, that you could be wrong. Necator 17:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
You were edit warring to your preferred form of words. Saying "look at the bad man!" does not change that at all. The plain fact is, you made no attempt to seek compromise, and your only attempts to resolve the dispute were in the form of forum-shopping to try to drive away the editor with whom you were in conflict, in order to gain an advantage. ArbCom are not going to accept that as a case. Guy (Help!) 09:13, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
YOU told me that Jtrainor is pushing NPOV and I have MPOV. I don't know how did you make this prejudgment, not even looking to the case detail. And I tried to explain you, that you could be wrong in your estimations about me and that user. But you didn't even want to listen. All I've got as an answers is something like "what part of "stop" were you having trouble understanding?" I think, when you blaming someone in something you should be ready to explain that and maybe have some more constructive discussion rather than shouting "shut up! I am the truth myself! The second after the god!" And please don't talk from the face of ArbCom. You are not even a member. Considering my behavior, I've done several parts of dispute resolution (RFC, mediation). So now, please, let ArbCom decide what to do with that. Necator 10:44, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for mediation not accepted

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[edit] Unblock request

This blocked user (block log | autoblocks | rangeblocks | unblock | contribs | deleted contribs) has asked to be unblocked, but an administrator has reviewed and declined this request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock request while you are blocked.

Request reason: "totally biased admin. see my talk page for details"

Decline reason: "Insufficient request, see User:Sandstein/Unblock. — Sandstein 23:33, 3 November 2007 (UTC)"

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Do not delete unblock requests. Sandstein 00:52, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Do not change previous requests either. Instead, post a new one below. Sandstein 09:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
But it says "Do not replace this message with another unblock request or add another unblock request." Ok. I have to add new one.


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Request reason: "Totally biased admin. I'd like to bring this to arbitration committee. See my talk page for details"

Decline reason: "You were blocked because you had demonstrated that you do not understand how to work peacefully and politely with other editors. This unblock requests makes it clear that you still do not understand how to work peacefully and politely with other editors. It therefore clearly communicates that the block is still necessary. — FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:07, 4 November 2007 (UTC)"

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  • It's not clear to me what the supposed bias is. I have never edited any article that you have edited, as far as I can see, and Jtrainor is mainly an editor of popular culture articles, which I also do not edit; I cannot see an article in his mainspace edit history that I have even read, other than the disputed article. What you appear to be saying is that your response to being blocked for personalising, forum shopping and escalating a trivial content dispute, is to further personalise, forum shop and escalate it. Did you actually read WP:OWN? Guy (Help!) 12:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
You haven't read the article, but you called me POV pusher. [3] Thats what i did mean by biased. And you didn't even want to talk constructively. Always answered something like "shut up!" [4] What about my presumable "forum shopping", what do you exactly mean by that? going through WP:DR? Or asking admin attention? If the last, I've got a suggestion about that from wikiquiette. [5] Maybe you would like to blame user, who suggested that in forum shopping as well? Regarding triviality of the content dispute, it's all explained on the article talk page (which you probably did not read as well) [6] If you would like to have further information about that, you could find history of that wikiquiette alert. What, I'm sure, you not going to do as well. Because unfounded blames, and "ban" button is something way easer to do. And WP:OWN is definitely not about me. I just want to make 1 (one!) change to that article, which, i believe, will make this article closer to NPOV. And i have a sources for that change. I could say again that my opponent refusing to discuss, ignoring WP:Verifiability and just reverted the page. And he got a wikiquiette alert about that behavior. But you will blame me once again for personalising. Will you? Necator 15:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

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Request reason: "I'd like to bring this case to arbitration committee. See my talk page for details"

Decline reason: "No reason to unblock you for this. You can simply email a member of ARBCOM. However, Kwsn should feel free to override this decision if he wishes (and if you promise to only edit the WP:RFAR page). — Yamla 16:23, 5 November 2007 (UTC)"

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I'll unblock only if you promise to edit the WP:RFAR page and the talk pages of those involved. If I or anyone else sees any edits outside those pages, you will be reblocked. Kwsn (Ni!) 16:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Necator 17:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)