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[edit] Pictures

It would seem best to place pictures of certain players where their most impressive record is. For instance, it would seem a much better fit to put Michael Jordan's picture near his record for scoring average in the Playoffs and discuss this in the caption.

I moved the pic. Quadzilla99 13:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the Shaq and D-Wade pics should stay where they are since they are at the free throw line in the pics. WIlt should stay where he is since he dominates the record books; it's only fitting to have him figure prominently in the opening. As a reminder all pics in here would almost certainly have to be entirely free use. Quadzilla99 15:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Sounds fine. Except that we should really look for a pic of Shaq as a Laker since that's where he set all of his records, especially the FT stuff.--TyrusThomas4lyf 04:50, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Very much needed pics include: Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Jerry West.--TyrusThomas4lyf 04:52, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
One more thing, I agree about Wilt, however I should point out that Jordan has over 50 records. Maybe not quite all of them are official in terms of things recorded in a record book, but at least most are, and he's by far the #2 holder of records, so if you were thinking of featuring the prominent record holders at the top of the page, I guess he would go next to Wilt.--TyrusThomas4lyf 05:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, we also need to spread them out though for appearance sake. I like where Jordan is currently right next to his most signifcant records. About the pics they would need to be free use to be used here basically it's confusing but for the most only pics taken by fans can be used here as almost all media pics are copyrighted and we need a substantial reason to use a copyrighted pic. Quadzilla99 05:04, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Going for the record

What Celtic hit FGs 89 games straight? Trekphiler 12:20, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

i don't know —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.146.8.100 (talk • contribs)
Sorry, don't know for sure, although we could try to find out. My guess is that there are a lot of players who have recorded a FG in more than 89 straight games, but I bet Larry Bird did it.--TyrusThomas4lyf 04:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User RfC related to this article

See Wikipedia:Requests for comment/TyrusThomas4lyf. Quadzilla99 11:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal

This article is becoming very long, and there is much more content that could be added. I propose creating a second article for Team Records, and rename this article Individual NBA records or something similar. Feel free to comment ZodiiakDial Z 02:26, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

That seems like a very sensible plan to me.--Eva bd 18:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I support the proposed split between team and individual records, and I'd also support a further split into regular season, playoff, and All-Star Game records (the All-Star Game records could remain a combined team and individual set), as there's been confusion regarding the different sections on the part of some editors in the recent past. — Myasuda (talk) 16:19, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Sounds like a great plan.Chris! ct 17:07, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I split off the All-Star Game records per above, since that seems to be the area where the most good-faith editing mistakes have been made recently. The new article is National Basketball Association All Star Game Records. I think I'll hold off on the regular season / playoff and individual / team split. If someone else feels there's an immediate need for these splits, they have my support to go ahead and create the articles. — Myasuda (talk) 03:55, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Best record to not qualify for playoffs

Someone inserted the Warriors 48-34 season into the Best record to not qualify for playoffs section, under the apparent premise that it deserves mention since there are more teams in the playoffs now than in 1971-72. However, the ratio of teams that qualify for the playoffs in those two seasons is not significantly different (47% vs 53%). I've left the entry for now, but since this page is for records only, the Warriors entry needs better justification or it should be removed. Thoughts? — Myasuda (talk) 00:08, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fouled out vs. disqualifications

I am starting this because an ip kept replacing the word "fouled out" with "disqualifications". Honestly, I never heard of disqualification in the NBA and thus don't know if it is correct at all. I have always hear the use of foul out from ESPN, but not disqualified. So someone who is knowledgeable on this, please elaborate. —Chris! ct 03:19, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Disqualifications (DQs) actually is a standard NBA term. At the same time, judging by the editing pattern, it seems like you may have flushed out another TyrusThomas4lyf (talk • contribs • logs) sock-puppet. It might be worth tracking 75.31.245.128 (talk • contribs • logs) before he causes too much damage. — Myasuda (talk) 03:40, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Just for reference, see [1] or [2] for some NBA disqualification records. — Myasuda (talk) 03:46, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Redundancies

Maybe I'm missing something but isn't it incredibly redundant to list things like most consecutive seasons as point leader and then most consecutive seasons with the highest points per game? I mean if you are the point leader, then by default you also have the highest number of points per game. I could be wrong, but I am fairly certain that if you're injured while averaging 42 points a game and then you have to sit out the remainder of the season that the 42 points doesn't remain frozen simply because you aren't playing. I guess I am saying that you could simply conflate all the averages with the overall numbers (just put in parenteses how what the overall number averaged out to be per game). The only reason you need to list both most blocks in a season and the highest average of blocks per game in a season is if one is different. This could obviously happen given that there are now more games per season, but as it stands both enteries are the same person and the same seasoon. It's a minor point but I just thought it was odd to have so much needless repetition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdlund (talk • contribs) 18:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Since players may miss games during the season, leaders in totals are not necessarily leaders in average. While not terribly common, there are still many examples to choose from over the years. Some notable examples include
  • 1967-68: Oscar Robertson led the NBA in both scoring average and assists per game, but Dave Bing led the league in total points and Wilt Chamberlain led the league in total assists.
  • 1976-77: Bill Walton led the league in both rebounds and blocks per game, but Kareem Abdul-Jabbar led the league in total rebounds and total blocks.
  • 1980-81: Magic Johnson led the league in steals per game (he only played in 37 games that season, but made the league minimum qualifications in steals) while Michael Ray Richardson led the league in total steals.
  • 1984-85: Bernard King led the league in scoring average, but Michael Jordan scored the most points.
— Myasuda (talk) 00:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Something's missing!!

I noticed something GLARINGLY missing from all the individual game records...

Who did the individuals play FOR???

I've gone through trying to add that to the categories as I find time, but it's a pain. Think someone else could help out? Thanks. — Dale Arnett (talk) 17:53, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Artificial records

I just wanted to elaborate on why I characterized the records Highest percentage of NBA Finals won (min. 8 series) and Highest percentage of NBA Finals MVPs won as artificial. First of all, for those who haven't been keeping score, I should mention that I had a hand in the eventual form of these two entries, and so I didn't feel too out-of-line in removing them. But I'll leave them if the consensus is that they're worthy of retention.

The history of these entries is that user Paulinho28 (whom I believe wanted to honor Michael Jordan with a new entry) entered the record Highest percentage of NBA Finals won (min. 5 series) with Michael Jordan as the only entry. The problem with this (IMO) was that there is that no website, news article, or book that lists this type of record and also it was incomplete. There were plenty of other players to include with a threshold of 5. So, Paulinho28 raised the threshold to 6 and again left MJ as the only entry. At this point, I took over the entry, listed the top members (the three currently listed), and maintained that only the top three be listed since this is a list of records and not runners-up.

In response to this, Paulinho28 decided to create a new entry, Highest percentage of NBA Finals MVPs won in which MJ was guaranteed to be number one. Again, this is not a "record" that one will find in any website (other than this article), news article, or book. It's also close to redundant with "Most NBA Finals Most Valuable Player awards".

Finally, both "records" have debatable interpretations: Paulinho28's definition of percentage is to use only trips to the finals as a denominator rather than seasons played, which would probably be a better and more natural measure . . . that is, if we on wikipedia were allowed to make up new kinds of records.

Question of the day -- do we keep these "records" or remove them?

Myasuda (talk) 03:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

There are certainly myriads of other essentially random stat cutoffs that have been posted as "records" and they are not the type of records you will commonly find mentioned. They all fall under the same umbrella. It's in the "other records" section, which seems good enough to warrant it staying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Squaty squater (talk • contribs) 06:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)