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Contents 1 This is all unsourced hoax... 2 "first modern sightings" unsourced 3 Pauwels and Bergier 4 Nazi UFO? 5 Are theese pictures a hoax? And can it be regarded open content? 6 NPOV issue

[edit] This is all unsourced hoax...

...and so it should be removed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.125.132.224 (talk) 23:46, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "first modern sightings" unsourced

in fact the "first modern sightings" were a good bit earlier according to UFO [1]. So we need a citation for the claim that they occured at this time. --Alvestrand 16:59, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pauwels and Bergier

"A 1967 book by Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier made many spectacular claims about the Vril Society of Berlin. It claimed that the society had made contact with an alien race and dedicated itself to creating spacecraft to reach the aliens. In partnership with the Thule Society and the Nazi Party, it developed a series of flying disc prototypes. With the Nazi defeat, the society allegedly retreated to a base in Antarctica and vanished.[5]"

Are you sure? I've read that book and I can't remember that they made any claims about nazi ufos. They've invented the vril society, that's true, but the association between the vril society and that nazi ufo stuff was fabricated by other authors (Juergen-Ratthofer, Van Helsing) Crypto-ffm 10:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I've checked my copy of Pauwels & Bergier (just for sure). And I have to underscore what I wrote above. P&B never related the vril society to ufos, aliens, or similiar things. Therefore, the section should be reformulated, e.g:

"A 1967 book by Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier made many spectacular claims about a so-called Vril Society of Berlin [5]. In the sequel, authors as Jan van Helsing claimed that this society had made contact with an alien race and dedicated itself to creating spacecraft to reach the aliens. In partnership with the Thule Society and the Nazi Party, it developed a series of flying disc prototypes. With the Nazi defeat, the society allegedly retreated to a base in Antarctica and vanished." Crypto-ffm 16:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for your changes! I've added the citations you requested. Crypto-ffm 12:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nazi UFO?

Since UFO stands for unindentified flying object but these are identified as Nazi, are they really UFOs or more like NFO (Nazi Flying Objects)? Just a semantics thing I guess but if someone could clear this up. Thanks.VarunRajendran 18:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

"Nazi UFO" is a term that English writings on the subject use. Gazpacho 02:33, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that "nazi flying saucers" would be far more appropriate, despite of the popular misuse of "UFO". I think that using "UFO" because it's popular is somewhat like grouping spiders with insects (as insects, not arthropods) since many people don't make these distinctions. --Extremophile 14:22, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Are theese pictures a hoax? And can it be regarded open content?

• http://es.geocities.com/donmiguelserrano/mitos/archivos_haunebu/7.jpg Is this a hoax? 10:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• not a nazi-ufo, but nice as well ... http://www.laesieworks.com/ifo/lib/VTOLdiscs-pict/MollerXM4-03.jpg

• pretty well known Is this a hoax?

• published by Der Spiegel on March 150

• and this is a slide show with all of them ;-)

Yes these are hoaxes. Most of the Nazi UFO stuff started with Allied pilots seeing things. Nazis never seemed to know anything about this, of course the Nazis never saw Allied UFOs,?. The few Germans who followed this are very similar to the few Americans who follow this - medication frequently helps.159.105.80.141 17:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV issue

• the following sentence in the opening statement does not sound neutral, but could just be me (:OP any ideas on how we can make it more neutral? (:O) -Nima Baghaei

It states the facts and nothing but the truth. That's about as NPOV as it gets, except for people who believe that there actually are/were Nazi UFOs, and those people's opinions are to be discounted in any case. Jtrainor 12:10, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

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There is no commonly accepted evidence that any such craft ever existed, beyond the well documented German development of [[jet aircraft]], such as the [[Me 262]] and rockets such as the [[V1]] and [[V2]].