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[edit] CORRUPTION

why is all his info on corruption missing, this article seems like its been written by his wife, info needs to be put there about his many corruption scandels, like karz utao, ghar apna scheme and his many loan defaults. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.107.222 (talk) 17:34, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assassination

Cleaned up the details related to the Bhutto assassination, including adding a section header, etc. Tried to make the language a bit more neutral and less stilted, and some of those facts are going to need to be verified. Also cleaned up some of the grammar, but there were a lot of mistakes so I might not have gotten them all.--69.239.135.53 (talk) 20:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar

Parts of this article need re-writing to correct their bad grammar. A number of sentences are unnecessarily long or short, are informal in their style or otherwise are incorrect. Areas requiring attention include the Military Coup section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.37.155 (talk) 01:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Succession

In his first tenure as PM he was actually succeeded by Miraj Khalid as "caretaker PM" (see Prime Minister of Pakistan), who in turn was succceeded by BB.--iFaqeer 18:50, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

This article seems very biased against Sharif, particularly as you go further in there are many NPOV phrases including direct accusations of corruption and incompetence. I DO NOT KNOW ENOUGH TO EDIT but I wanted to flag this as really needing attention. Palnu

The article doesn't actually say that he was corrupt. It says that his administration suffered from "corruption" and "incompetence". One could make the case that he himself was corrupt and incompetent, but that is not exactly what is being said here.
Incompetence. I'll grant you that incompetence is somewhat subjective. I'll modify the article accordingly.
Corruption. A court found him guilty of corruption, tax evasion and embezzlement. His government was widely regraded as corrupt in Pakistan. Many neutral sources have said that his government was corrupt, as have former members of his own party. Columnist Ayaz Amir, who ran in 2002 as a candidate in Sharif's own PML-N party, said that he "proved to be as corrupt and inefficient as Benazir" [1]
From [2] (the article lists other references at the bottom)
  • The British newspaper, Observer, on Sept. 27, 1998, published a report revealing that Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has amassed a personal fortune siphoning off millions of dollars from his country's coffers. The Pakistani Federal Investigation Agency report, revealed to the paper by the FIA's suspended second in command Rahman Malik, was also sent to President Rafiq Tarar. The Observer said that the 200-page report was begun while Sharif was out of power but effectively stifled after he and his Islamic Democratic Alliance party returned to lead the country in February 1997. It said the investigation reveled how Sharif's assets included four flats in London's exclusive Mayfair, worth more than $5 million. More than $70 million was also said to have been traced to accounts and companies controlled by the family. The inquiry was focused on Sharif's Ittefaq group of companies, which grew rapidly during his first term in power in 1990-93. It was alleged that the group received billions of rupees in loans, which were not repaid. Around $8 million is said to be held offshore, and another $50 million in Switzerland. Explaining the modus operandi for money laundering by Sharif family, the report of Rehman Malik stated that Rs. 140 million were siphoned in collusion with Hawala group of Peshawar using the Bank of Oman. The money was repatriated in the form of FEBCs in the name of 43 family members, which include the mother, brother, sister and other close relatives of Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
During Sharif's second term, Pakistan was rated as one of the the most corrupt countries in the world by Transparency International.
The available evidence indicates that there was corruption in Sharif's administration.

Egalitus 21:03, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I've toned down the "incompetence" statements. I'd like to invite comment on the neutrality of the overall article. Egalitus 22:14, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Removed references to Indian "adventurism" in the nuclear test section.

Sharif returned to power in February 1997 with such a huge majority that the result was immediately questioned by Bhutto's Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP). Sharif won by obtaining 90 percent of the national votes cast. Doubts against the authenticity of the national elections always persist and are nearly always contended by Pakistan's losing party. Tony Blair stated in a January interview that he "believed the election was true". Nawaz Sharif, therefore, holds the record in Pakistani politics for securing the heaviest mandate in a general election in Pakistan.

Yeah! Tony Blair is always right.

[edit] PPP

In this paragraph:

The general election of February 1997 saw Nawaz Sharif’s party sweeping back into power with such a huge majority that the result was immediately questioned by the PPP.

Is the PPP the Pakistan People's Party? If so, this should be fixed to not use that undefined abbreviation. I'd do it, but I'm not sure that's what's being referred to here. CDC (talk) 30 June 2005 17:08 (UTC)

Ashtonishing Fact: Nawaz was convicted of corruption, and a whole host of other charges. But i never thought of him as corrupt because there hasn't been that much attention in the papers. However, i used to assume Bhutto was corrupt, she has never been convicted! Did everyone know this? or am i just ignorant.

Reply: It is very difficult to convict powerful people in Third World countries like Pakistan. This is due to their enormous power and their tactics of intimidating and corrupting police and judiciaries. Undoubtedly both Bhutto and Sharif are theives.

What about the cases around the world Bhutto has been vindicated in a case in england where the judge said "the NAB were master puppteers of the witch hunt" and the recent AGR which proves that the president funneled money into politicaly motivated charges against BB. I have my doubts but i still believe that some one sould be innocent until proven guilty and surely the current government has more influence in the courts that Bhutto.

Bhutto may not have been convicted due to fleeing the country, but her husband Asif Zirdari has been, and she would have people believe that she nothing of his dealings - in which case she was the only person in Pakistan that did not know his nickname, Mr.10% Streona (talk) 23:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Order of points in article

The current ordering is not chronologically accurate, and seems disjointed: for instance, the "charges" section contains largely details of what is mentioned in the "coup" section, and should logically follow it, in any event (instead, it is two points before it in the present article). Should this not be mended?

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Quaid nawaz.jpg

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[edit] Cell Phone

"On September 10, 2007, Nawaz Sharif arrived in Islamabad on a PIA flight from London but was prevented from leaving the plane. This has resulted in massive protests all over Islamabad with several of his supporters reported to have been killed. Musharraf reportedly turned off all cellular services in the vicinity of the airport, creating a massive inconvenience for the people living in twin cities of Rawalpindi/Islamabad. Furthermore, Nawaz Sharif has refused to hand over his passport to Immigration, increasing the chances of him being either deported to Saudi Arabia or arrested and thrown in jail in Pakistan." It is important to mention the rationale of such an action, which was to prevent the useof Cell phones to initiate a Terrorist incident to free Sharif.Alexander 08:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV Problem

"Nawaz Sharif arrived in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, having played his small part in the clown show that Pakistani government has evolved to be." This is obvious editorial. Pygmypony 13:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. Let me also remind editors that Wikipedia is not a news blog. True, some rather important events are happening in the present in Mr Sharif's life, so it's difficult to determine what is and what isn't important, but I'm pretty sure, for instance, that his return, arrest and deportation require at most two sentences. Please try and trim some of the fat out of this very bloated article. Biruitorul 03:02, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
This article is a complete mess. Lots of stuff, especially duplication, needs to be deleted wholesale, and the rest fixed for POV. Wizzy…☎ 11:48, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Democracy activist??

I've been doing a good deal of work in Category:Democracy activists, and I just came across Mr. Sharif's name. I'm somewhat dubious as to whether he is properly described as a "Democracy activist". There's nothing in the article to indicate that he has, in fact, been a "Democracy activist" -- with the possible exception of his attempt to return to Pakistan, which struck me as more of an attempt to re-enter politics than anything else. I did look through the edit history as far back as March 2006 in hopes of finding out what specific editor had put him in the Category, but that's as far as I could go (the category was already there at that point). So I would appreciate it if some knowledgable editors would be good enough to comment on this. Cgingold 09:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Misleading posts

Seriously, who put this in?

"Musharraf reportedly turned off all cellular services in the vicinity of the airport, creating a massive inconvenience for the people living in twin cities of Rawalpindi/Islamabad.

Nawaz Sharif was arrested upon arrival and taken to jail for further investigations"

How did Musharraf "reportedly turned off all cellular services", and whats the article/news supporting that? And "Nawaz Sharif was arrested and taken to jail", I never knew we had a "jail" at the Islamabad Airport, and again, there is no news to back that up, and even then, we all know he was not "taken to jail".

There is a military airbase that shares the airport, as you can see the Hercules transporters there, and they probably have a brig or something. Streona (talk) 23:16, 16 November 2007 (UTC) Atleast try to make sense when writing such crap! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fahadzkhan (talk • contribs) 06:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Deported" or "Exiled"?

While journalists can be sloppy, Wikipedia should hold to higher standards. You "deport" aliens; you can't "deport" a citizen. It would be more accurate therefore to speak of "forced to leave the country under an arrangement with Saudi Arabia to grant him temporary residence, with restrictions on his movement, travel, and other activities" or "forced exile" or just "exile" rather than "deported" everywhere in this entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.29.197.20 (talk) 03:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] corruption charges

This paragraph needs some serious work:

Nawaz Sharif was also involved in corruption at the highest level during his tenure which brought further mistrust of the people towards his government. The Nawaz government launched a scheme called "Karz utaro, Mulk savaro" whose intent was to pay off debt of the nation through the Pakistani people's pockets. Pakistanis took part aggressively and emotionally to help Pakistan pay off the debt. Many Pakistanis living abroad took part in this scheme extensively and sent millions (maybe billions) to help pay off the debt. Even the poor living in the country helped, to the extent that women sold their jewellery to help the cause, but to no avail. As of this date, it is not known what happened to the funds and the national debt never decreased. It is widely believed that the scheme was to benefit Nawaz Sharif & family, and not to pay off the country's debt.

In addition to being entirely unsourced, the text seems to convey a specific POV, and is filled with emotional charges more befitting an op-ed column than an encyclopedia. If anyone knows anything about the subject and can fix it up, please do so. --Bachrach44 19:53, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Photograph Needed

Nawaz Sharif appears to have more hair now. Streona (talk) 00:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

This article is completely BS. Nawaz sharif wanted to enforce Islamic law in Pakistan! Why dont you show this pretty little link?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/189735.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.38.170.14 (talk) 02:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] He is a mullah

Didn't Nawaz Sharif just get off the phone from his conversation with Hussain Ahmad and Muhammad Omar?05:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Relations with the military

It seems to me that some of the statements in this section are particularly strong, especially as this section completely lacks any kind of sourcing e.g.:

In October 1998, however, true to form, Sharif fell out with General Karamat as well, over the latter’s advocacy of the need for the creation of a National Security Council in what Sharif believed was a conspiracy to return the military to a more active role in Pakistani politics.

Also, what does "Jehangir Karamat was much later appreciated by Nawaz as a gentleman." mean? Valclav (talk) 03:55, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Attack at Kargal Chowk

The assertion that PML(Q) was behind the attack is not sourced and unless it is,, reasonably soon, it should be deleted.

This article appears now to be POV pro Sharif and the corruption references dropped. It needs to be rebalanced. Streona (talk) 18:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What Court decision in 2007 ?

The article says that the Government was called upon to respect the court decision, but what court decision ? The only ones I can determine from the article is the one convicting him of terrorism and the one banning him from standing for election. I cannot see where the Governme t has a problem with either of these.

Also, what is the "Punjabi religious movement" of the late 1800s that Sharif and his family may or may not have been influenced by ?

And after people all over Pakistan gave Nawaz Sharif their jewellery towards the national debt-did anyone get any back ? Streona (talk) 19:15, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] He was NOT convicted in Absentia

Mr. Sharif was not convicted in absentia for the place hiijacking case. After convicton, while Mr. Sharif was serving the sentence, he was also sentence for corruption charges as well.

Details can be found at: Sharif convicted of corruption

Or,

Former Pakistani premier Sharif sentenced to life in prison

Or

‎Nawaz Sharif sentenced

Aursani (talk) 15:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

I'd like to resume the neutrality debate, only, not necessarily for or against Sharif, but against the validity of the election results in his favor in 1997. Unlike the last person who raised this concern, I would say that the article is biased in favor of him, or at least the "mandate" he supposedly received. And last I checked, Tony Blair's word shouldn't be taken on anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homoaffectional (talk • contribs) 17:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Early life

While describing his early life the article says: He also played a side match against West Indies when he was prime minister.

Correction: He was chief minister Punjab and not prime minister at that time. It was in late 1980s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.128.4.231 (talk) 10:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reinstating Judges

When Sharif was last in power he used his powers to appoint loads of his own party goons as judges. Why should these people be re instated ?--Streona (talk) 13:57, 7 June 2008 (UTC)