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  1. Add subsection regarding trade and Area 13
  2. Add more references
  3. Give a better description for Sailors section
  4. HA is no longer an upcoming feature, so there are now six battle modes
  5. Add screenshots of in-play action
  6. Remove or NPOV statements about the operation of the company and moderators

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[edit] Is Navy Field a MMOPRG?

In my opinion, NF is more like MMORTS than MMORPG. Can anyone prove that NF IS a MMORPG? I'm confused.

RTS games are usually defined by army-level unit command, resource production and/or base building. Navy Field has none of these. Its combat system is more reminiscent of team deathmatch, instead of a strategic battle. It also has a ship customization and sailor stat system that borrows many features of modern RPGs (accrued EXP affects attack & defense stats, stronger items/weapons are available with increasing level, etc). Tronno 20:58, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

---MMORPG is Massivley Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game MMORTS Is what now? Massivley Multiplayer Online Real Time Strategy? yeah anyways...yes U are totally right it is a MMORTS..it even says it when u start playing...REAL TIME STRATEGY or NAVAL TACTICS GAME... just wanted to point that out. YEP...its really addicting...plaing it.

---Yes, I added it to the list of MMORTS's on the MMOG list.

Note Navyfield in its patcher doesn't describe itself as a MMORPG or even a MMORTS but a MMOTSG - Massively Multiplayer Online Tactice Simulation Game. Its safe to assume Tactice is meant to be tactics. But based on the old 'pigeon hole' game groups MMORTS is a lot more closer fit than MMORPG. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.127.152.250 (talk) 15:43, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

---It really depens on what part of the game people look at.

Some people are more focused on their sailors, and these sailors could potentially be the RPG part of the game. However, if you focus on the combat and the team based strategy, it could be considered a RTS, especially if you are using a CV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.250.31 (talk) 07:37, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Security

Someone should write about the lack of security (no encryption of passwords, not on the internet site nor to the log in server) also about the numerous macros etc. that has been tried... and also remember the guy who got banned after getting 72k xp pr game in BB missions? Here is the post made after he got busted for sending "false" packages to the NF server. http://www.navyfield.com/board/view.asp?Num=17053&Sort=C06 . -- cKaL 19:49, 4 January 2007 (CET)

I believe that was 'arranged battle' rather than hacking. Yes, the passwords are sent in clear (dear god), but the packets are actually signed with a hash that makes spoofing packets non-trivial. If anyone has figured out the hashing algorithm then they haven't publicised it, to the best of my knowledge. Rogerborg 08:05, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please, maintain a neutral tone as you write a Wikipedia article

Quote from the stub: "Belt Armour: This armour is for direct shots from close range. If you love close range combat is valuable armour for you!!"

Keep in mind that this is not a game manual or a gamer's guide to Navy Field. Keep personal opinion to yourself, and write in a factual tone. Thank you. (AWPerator)

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[edit] Read the article first!

To anyone who wishes to edit this article, please READ the WHOLE thing first, so that we don't duplicate statements, such as the fact that NF is now free. Also, the standards of grammar and spelling acceptable on the NF site are definitely not high enough for Wikipedia, which means that sloppy grammar and punctuation will be purged. Thank you. JodoYodo 12:58, August 25, 2006 (UTC)

I added the "game balance" section, like it was added for other games (see city of heroes for example). I think i mantained a NPOV but if you disagree we can talk about it. Sir_Dante

I added Soft Defense under the "Armor and Defense" section, seemed like the most appropriate place to put it. --Lord Kelvin 02:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

New Airplanes section added. --Lord Kelvin 05:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Added Weapons section. --Lord Kelvin 06:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Gave an overhaul to the Sailors/Crew section, and added a chart of abilities. --Lord Kelvin 19:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] False claims made by SD Enternet

Shouldn't we also report the false claims made in the past by SDE about veterans (they couldn't change the veteran system due to a developer leaving the company- while it was changed in retail by charging players for veterans), harbor assault (which was supposed to go out at retail), BB5 (which were announced at 100 in a post by game master which was then deleted)? I think we should do it under the SDE section- they're facts, not POV Sir Dante 10:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Dante, I would definitely call those errors very bad miscommunications rather than lies.. And there is a big difference between the two. As for including them in the Wiki, imho the only purpose of including a section called "False Claims by SDE" would be to serve as a way to criticize SDE and the game itself. And honestly I don't see how anybody can maintain an NPOV while judging or criticizing something or someone. Archer <}- 21:45, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
There is no need to point out all the lies, it should be sufficient to show how input is being treated (see the 'Balance' section) to show SD's behaviour from a Neutral POV. Obst & Gemuese 01:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
If you can cite sources, yes. Until you can do that, you're engaging in libel. Rogerborg 12:56, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
You can't cite sources always, besides they deleted all the sources. But you can't just drop it: they happened, if someone wants to take them off he's free to do it after all.

Sir Dante 14:08, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

If you can't cite sources, then accusations aren't suitable for Wikipedia. You are free to host them elsewhere. -- Rogerborg 11:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Anyways, i didn't add the section yet, that's why i'm asking here if that should be done. Probably the best thing to do is doing like archer suggested, we should call them "communication problems" and add one line to report them. I don't see why we should't do it after all! Sir Dante 14:47, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Rogerborg, since there are no books or links related to the matter i don't know how can you cite sources. This is a videogame, not an ancient battle over which there are dozens of sites and books- citing sources is just impossible here. You have to do what de facto happens, talk about how the game works and the community evolves: look at the other wiki pages for videogames (one above all, city of heroes) Sir Dante 10:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
That's unfortunate, as it's the standard that Wikipedia requires. Look, just below the editing window: "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable". You can allege what you like elsewhere, but you can't present original allegations here. The thing is, I agree completely with these allegations, and I know that they've been made elsewhere, but this is Wikipedia, and we need to play by Wikipedia rules and to Wikipedia standards, regardless of whether other entries happen to do so at any given point in time. Shall I drop you a hint? You don't have to show that the allegations are true, you just have to present them as allegations, and link to an external reference source where they are made, which may, but doesn't have to be, the Navy Field forums. It could be your own personal web page, for example. -- Rogerborg 15:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
The problem here is that you're right, there are no verifiable sources that talk about Navy Field. But doesn't this mean that the whole article is speculation then...? Sir Dante 14:04, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
The biggest thing is that SD is trying to predict things. I still think that they should stop coming out with new things and work on older problems.

[edit] We need more structure in the Ships Section

Currently the list of available ships is way too long, some kind of table should be used instead.

Anyone up for the job?

Obst & Gemuese 01:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it's good as it is, someone should add links for the japanese ships- i did it for german ships but i'm too bored now to start the japanese ones! Sir Dante 14:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Done :) And now, since the whole page looks a bit longer the shiplist doesn't look that bad anymore to me either. Obst & Gemuese 17:23, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I might be able to start putting the ships of each nation into table format like Obst did with the classes when I get some time...Archer <}- 22:41, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
You forgot to put all the links for the kuma and remods and in the remodels of mogami ;) Fix my table if you find problems- this is even for you archer Sir Dante 07:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adding ship table

I'm making the table for ships and i'll try to do it at my best, so if you can make it look better i will appreciate it. I also found several mistakes in the ships and a few broken link. For example, Mogami CA is listed as CA1 and Myoko CA2, while it's the opposite. PPro1 is listed as CA3, and there is no such class. Spaehkreuzer D40 was listed as DD2, it's a CL1. Sir Dante 07:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, CA1/CA2/CA3/DD2/CL1 aren't definitions used by Navy Field. They are player-created definitions. Cite sources! -- Rogerborg 11:58, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
They are indirectly used by game masters for clan wars and if you remember they actually called the new ships "BB5" Sir Dante 13:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
ORLY? Then cite the source in the article. -- Rogerborg 10:23, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
The ship table has been moved into the new Ships article, but maybe it might be a good idea to just remove the player classifications and just bunch them all together, since that would help save space and make it more understandable for the guy who just happens to see the article randomly. --Lord Kelvin 21:37, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Corrected XP given to Free Accounts

Hi. Although SDEnternet claims that free accounts get a penalty of 40% on Exp and Credits (like stated on the wiki), it has been tested that the actual implementation of the system give only 40% of the regular XP and Creds to free accounts, (thus, the penalty is not 40% but 60%). On NavyField forums is disccused whether this is a bug, or an intended 'feature' to enforce suscriptions. Anyway, im updating the text accordingly.

I am a complete idiot. -- Rogerborg 15:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Harbour Assault

I think someone should write a section on this, and edit the part about Harbour Assault not being released yet. As I haven't participated in one, I don't think this is for me -- JodoYodo

I'll be doing that when I have time, which may or may not come this weekend. --Lord Kelvin 01:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Done, revamped the section and added in the new BBs as well. --Lord Kelvin 01:33, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] BO = Bridge Operator

BO stands for Bridge Operator in the game, not Bridge Officer. Shouldn't this be changed in the article? I understand that calling it a Bridge Officer makes it easier to understand, but everything else is properly named, so why not the BO? --Lord Kelvin 02:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Individal Clan/Fleet Advertising

I noticed that the bottom of the article has been expanded on with links to individual fleet sites.

The question: Should or shouldn't individual fleets have the opportunity to promote and advertise their sites here on Wikipedia?

I believe that the links should be removed, for a few reasons. A) This is a reference article, not a link directory. It should be used ONLY for informational purposes, not to get more hits to another website.

B) This article is about NavyField. Fleets certainly do not have any direct association with NavyField or TeamNF/GMs, or how the game works. They are external groups of players that unify within the game; but do not define the game.

C) All or none. In the interests of fairness and equality, I think it is necessary that IF there is an extremely valid reason to lists fleet and clan websites here, ALL fleets and clans need to be included in this article. It is not fair to exclude a fleet (either intentionally or not) because if the entire fleet population is NOT represented in this NEUTRAL POV article, it could easily be seen a promotion for specific groups.

D) Fleets are not necessarily permanent. As such, why should an consistent, informative, and authoritative source like Wikipedia provide a listing of things that are not constant within the game?

Archer <}- 22:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

we should follow wiki guidelines and not link to clan/squads.Sir Dante 01:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
List of moderators should be stripped out. As Archer has mentioned already, moderators are not necessarily permanent, and similar demonstration of the wisdom behind that statement can be seen in the lack of presence of moderator listings in any other online game described within Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.219.102.200 (talk) 06:21, 28 March 2007 (UTC).
They're not permanent, but the mods are still an essential part of the game. And besides that, they change at nowhere near the same pace as fleets, and all or none is moot, since all mods are easily verifiable. --Lord Kelvin 06:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree with keeping them, as they rarely change. WoW has what patch they are upto which basically changes weekly too... so a more permenant mod list is workable. Hellman109 01:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
The list of moderators is out of date and the image includes ex-TNF members as well. Fix it or strip it out. Wikipedia articles are not popularity contests. 12.219.102.200 04:38, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
There's no reason to replace the image. It's an illustration of moderators in a battle room, nowhere does it say that it is a picture of all current moderators. Unless you have a better reason than that, the image stays. --Lord Kelvin 07:10, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Needs More Sections

Some important things about the game are still missing from the article. As far as I can tell, we still need some stuff about the training areas, trade (Area 13), missions, and maybe stuff about in-game humor (server hamster, ship nicknames, Obst gimp fetishes, etc.). Also, maybe a section about current game balance issues (ie. BB5 guns, IJN support, KM's "uberness", and so on) rather than simply saying "Game balance is a continually and hotly contested subject amongst players" would be beneficial. --Lord Kelvin 08:03, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

LOL.. More sections?!?!?! Ahh the article is bulging at the seams already >.< Remember.. this article isn't supposed to be a manual for the game.. it's supposed to be an encyclopedia entry ;) Archer <}- 22:44, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
The large number of sections seems to come from a generally poor organization, from what I can see. For example, the Weapons and the Aircraft sections can probably be combined, and some of the smaller sections, namely Gameplay, Game Balance, Ships & Designations, Payment, Game Modes, and SDE can be rolled into other sections, or turned into subsections for more generic main sections. --Lord Kelvin 06:53, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, I just did an organizational overhaul, cut the number of main sections down by 40% or so, so now there's only 11 main sections instead of 17, though the overall size remains about the same. I still think that there should be at least a section discussing Area 13 though, since it's very important in the game. --Lord Kelvin 08:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
One more thing, if the article really does get too big, we can split it into sections, such as giving Ships, Nations, Sailors, and Weapons their own articles, like they did with the EVE Online article. --Lord Kelvin 08:04, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Ships and Weapons have been given their own articles, which has more or less cut the size of the article in half. I also plan to give Sailors its own article, but I'll do that when I have time. --Lord Kelvin 23:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bannable activites

Wouldn't it be jolly to maintain a list of all the activities that SDE and their creatures 'ban', but which they can't be bothered coding in fixes for? SDE will clearly never do it, but it would be helpful to players to know what the latest whims are. Remember, citations are necessary, even if you have to copy and host announcements elsewhere in case they're 'disappeared'. -- Rogerborg 00:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead and start a subsection under Gameplay if you want. I currently have no access to playing (or the forums for that matter) right now so I can't contribute to it. Just keep it as neutral as you can. --Lord Kelvin 01:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Tish, I don't play NF any more. I just think it would be a wheeze to document the inconsistent ramblings and blustering threats for posterity. -- Rogerborg 16:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Are we sure they really *ban* people as I have been TKed sent images to a mod and the same day, and the day after they are still in the game despite assurances that these people will be banned. So if someone makes a section like that maybe you should add the following: "Although the moderators and GMs claim that they ban players who violate the rules above, it all comes down to if you pay for your account or if the moderators have a grudge against you." -- cKaL 19:37, 4 January 2007 (CET)

[edit] To-do List Added

I added a to-do list at the top that anyone can add to, to help better organize what needs to be done in the article. If anyone wants to add to it, feel free to. --Lord Kelvin 07:44, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ships, Sailors and Weapons: Big Move Completed

I've finished moving the Ships, Sailors, and Weapons sections of the article into their own articles, which has essentially cut the size of the main NF article down to a third or so. Easier to read now IMO. --Lord Kelvin 22:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

BTW, can someone give the Sailors section a look-over and make it better? I was sorta in a rush when I moved it, so the current description there sorta sucks. --Lord Kelvin 18:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GM names

Should the GMs be named at all in this article? There are two issues here at hand:

1. Their real names aren't important as to their roles in NF 2. Not all of the GMs can be named, because not enough information is available

I think that we should do an all-or-nothing approach here. If all the GMs can be named, then go ahead and put their names there, but otherwise it interrupts the flow of the article if you can name some but not others. --Lord Kelvin 18:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Write out acronyms and abbreviations.

Please write out abbreviations and acronyms. Not everyone will know what MMOS, DD, FF, CL, CA, BB, CV, AAW, and USD stand for. --Exarion 23:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

 Dd is destroyer. FF stands for Frigates. CLs stand for light cruisers. CA stands for Heavy Cruisers. BB stands for Battleships. CVs are Carriers. And

AAW stands for Anti-Aircraft ships who load up all their turrents with Anti Aircraft shells. As for USD, I have no idea where that is from. Something I can assume has to do with the United States Navy in the game.

[edit] Private Servers

Are private servers legal? I have been hearing from a few people who I know ho do play them that they are legal, but I'm not sure. I wouldn't want to get involved in that or anything without knowing the truth. Thanks!
--Wil101 02:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Criminals rarely admit fault. The 'private servers' use a stolen server binary. It's neither licensed, nor reverse engineered (they don't have source code, just one old binary). The people distributing that binary and the associated resources are engaged in copyright and trademark violations. The legality of that depends on their jurisdiction. Actually using or playing on them is more of a nuanced issue, but it's certainly not ethical, and not something that I'd condone, despite my almost complete lack of respect for SDE. Rogerborg 08:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] NavyField North America?

The article states that the title of the game is (more specifically NavyField North America). However, I can not find any site that refers to the game as NavyField North America, not even the official website located at navyfield.com. Is this really the title of the game? --Credema 03:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the text from the article. If the reason that it was in there was because, currently, only a North American version of the game has been released that should be edited in the article, but the title of the game remains the same. --Credema 16:22, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

The term serves to differentiate Navy Field from the other regional releases of the game, which are administered separately and should probably be mentioned here but are better explained in detail on their respective national Wikipedias, being Korean, Japanese, Chinese, and German which is in line with general Wikipedia policy.

Since SD Enternet has not released their designation for the North American release and employees, notably the GMs, have referred to Navy Field North America as "NANF" with available citations, it is a label that would fit. -Taospark 07:01, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Criticisms Section Mostly Unfounded?

I removed several criticisms I believe are totally unfounded, as I've rarely even seen or heard some of these problems (memory needing 512MB or more and the Blitzkrieg/Great Battle modes being non-teamwork conducive) in my playing since beta. Some proof and/or evidence to support these claims is greatly appreciated before you write them in. [ 68.103.152.60 (talk) 19:00, 23 March 2008 (UTC) ]

(mcdonis) Actually the criticism about needing 512 or more is valid. I have 2 systems one is a newer dell with over a gig and the other only has 512. My newer system seems to run NF fine for the most part but the 512 system is near unplayable in GB (all the time) due to mem issues. So I can confirm myself the part about memory. Also the issue about non-teamwork conductive is a point of view statement but its valid none the less. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.230.203.254 (talk) 13:04, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

(Above poster) I too, have run this game on a system, a very old system with only 256mb of RAM and a GeForce 2 MX, despite slightly long loading times, I was able to easily play, without even stutter, a large 40 player game. The one I play on used to have No video card and the same amount of RAM, and even then it ran NF fine, there seems to be an issue related more to the computer, rather than the game itself here. Although the Teamwork issue may be a valid argument, it is not objective, and therefore not to be discussed here. [ ,,, ] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.179.123 (talk) 01:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

(above poster) I seriously doubt you played in a GB battle then, if you play in a "great battle" with 6 carriers and a good number of support AAA boats when you try to move your cursor over the engaged part of the board (where AAA boats are trying to kill multiple planes) your system should either heavly lag or more likely stop all together. And I totaly disagree this is not an individual system problem. The game simply is too mem intensive in that area for systems with anything below 512. (mcdonis) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.230.203.254 (talk) 15:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Multi-issues

I substituted the multiple issue tag for the bank at the top. I also added the fansite tag because there appears to be a large volume of data here (particularly the ships section) that could be summarized or presented in a manner less befitting only players of the game. Darthveda (talk) 17:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)