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Informal assessment prepatory to GA-run: GA review (see here for criteria) It is reasonably well written. a (prose): [[Image:|15px]] b (MoS): [[Image:|15px]] It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: [[Image:|15px]] It is stable. No edit wars etc.: [[Image:|15px]] It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions): Overall: Pass/Fail: [[Image:|15px]] Flesh out Integrated Bridge Systems. ECDIS seems like a good place to start. Celestial section needs citations Description of circle of equal altitude might be useful Brief description of other observations: az/amp/mp/lan/ The marine sextant section is too heavy on anatomy and too light on 1) what it actually is used for, and 2) how it works. There should be some good info in Bowditch... Radio navigation and satellite navigation focus more on history than the actual subject matter. Cobble together a summary of History of navigation and add it back as a section After stabilizing content: Develop stubby paragraphs per 1a Could use a number of copyedits Rework lead to mirror the new article's table of contents HausTalk 12:14, 30 May 2007 (UTC) this is a great free 'pedia for me and others. In fact, right now, I'm working on my s.s. hmwrk. and this 'pedia's workin great!!! KEEP IT UP!!! signed: saluted in the south

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Contents 1 Sailing re-organization effort 2 Getting this article to b-class 3 History of navigation split 4 Piloting and Pilotage 5 Another terminology issue

[edit] Sailing re-organization effort

Although Navigation is not limited to navigation while under sail, I thought readers of this talk page might be interested to help with this. Take a minute to read the comments at Talk:Sailing#Re-write effort -- non how-to et seq. Some of us are working on re-organizing the sailing-related articles. See if you agree with our approach and give us some help. Mrees1997 21:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Getting this article to b-class

I was WP:BOLD and made some significant changes in the article today to try and open up a path towards making this a b-class article. The biggest changes were structural: grouping modern stuff together and removing a section on the point system. I also replaced the "types" section with text from the public domain section 101 of Bowditch 2002. If there are no objections, I'd like to continue, using WP:SUMMARY to add sections for piloting, radio/radar, and satellite navigation.

"Navigation in other cultures" strikes me as a minefield. I've had a couple of notions about what to do with it, and I think the best approach might be to split it off into another article. Any feelings? Cheers. Haus^Talk 16:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC) (p.s. archived old talk, too)

[edit] History of navigation split

In the process of rewriting the History section, the article grew to 50 kilobytes. As Navigation is still missing some significant pieces (bearing, range, latitude, longitude, prime meridian, etc...) and is likely to keep growing steadily, I decided to split History of navigation off to its own article. Probably the best thing to do would be to summarize the history article here on Navigation... Cheers. Haus^Talk 14:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Piloting and Pilotage

These topics seem to have a significant problem: the terminology simply doesn't seem to be used as recorded here. Bowditch, for example, defines piloting as "navigat[ion of] a vessel through restricted waters." (ref) Likewise, googling on "pilotage" indicates that it means the provision of piloting services, and not the act of navigation itself. I can find no evidence of a British/American division on this either.

I'd like to try to straighten this out, but I'm asking for some support for the current definitions before I go and make a radical rearrangement of this and other articles of dubious terminology (e.g. seamark). Mangoe 16:20, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll have to look for a reference, but I have definitely seen "pilotage" used roughly as described in this article, and not as a term for "what a ship's pilot does". Paul Koning 15:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I seem to have come across some references to this with respect to aviation. Looking at the various official admiralty-type websites, however, shows a consistent use in reference to pilotage as the supplying of pilots. Mangoe 16:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Another terminology issue

This time it's sea mark, which is utterly unsourced. Again, I can't find evidence that it is used in the sense given here, at least not widely so. It most commonly appears as a catch-all term in legal lists (e.g. "No person shall make fast to, or interfere with, any light, beacon, sea mark, racing buoy or tide pole in the river." [1]). Other references speak of "sea marks" as more or less ad-hoc landmarks. The only case where I've found "sea mark" used as in the article is in a few Canadian boating sites, and they also use the the alternate terminology interchangeably.

The universal term here seems to be aid to navigation, or navigational aid. Right now the former has no article and the latter is stubby. It appears that two projects made two articles independently. My impulse is to fold everything into one of the two latter terms, and right now, I'm tending to prefer the former to the latter, as it is the form which seems to occur in formal definitions by the governing bodies. But before I do this I'd like to see if there is something behind the "sea mark" article of which I am unaware. Mangoe 21:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)