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I think this article could be better structured, i.e. Umbilicus is a disambig pointing to Belly Button and the other types of Umbilicus. I don't think that the mollusk and the belly button should be on the same page, even if it results in the article being fragmented into a few smaller pages. --TexasDex 00:30, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Since it has been 16 months and there have been no objections to TexasDex's proposal, I have done as he suggested. I don't know how to transfer the history of the mollusk section in this article to the new article Umbilicus (mollusk) or even if such a thing is possible. If someone could do that and/or inform me of the proper procedure for this kind of split I would appreciate it. James Kell 08:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Name 2 Animals 3 Innies/outies 4 belly button 5 Informations 6 Hi! 7 Sensitivity 8 Picture 9 location 10 Statisitcs 11 New Picture 12 Unsourced quote 13 Requested move 14 Navel exposure in Indial culture 15 Naval reconstruction 16 This picture is too hairy 17 Genetics 18 Image 19 Outies 20 The male of this species 21 Unencyclopedic tag 22 Nipples? 23 Picture again 24 Shouldn't this be moved to "Belly-button?"

[edit] Name

Shouldn't this be at either navel or belly button, as those are far more common names? - SimonP 16:38, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Animals

Does anyone know if mammals have belly buttons too? I don't recall seeing them on dogs, cats, etc. 82.35.193.164 20:02, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

I asked a cat owner, he says cats have navels. i guess all placental mammals have navels, not sure about marsupials and monotremata though. Any ideas? -- Sarefo 18:01, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Haha, I know my dog has a belly button -- when he was younger, I took him to the vet because I thought he had ringworm, but it was just his belly button. I was moderately embarrassed. --Allie 07:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Innies/outies

I'd love to see some more information about innies and outies - what the difference is in the tying off of the umbilical cord, that results in the two forms.

PS And animals do have belly buttons - mammals do anyways, since they are carried internally and are connected to their mother through the umbilical cord.

V 16:38, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind seeing a picture of an "outie" added to this article to compare to an "innie" --Millbrooky 06:07, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I second that, quite important in this topic, I'd say. It's what I came for, anyways. 24.7.89.196 12:08, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I would like some statistics on the occurence of innies vs. outties. I personally have an innie and I can only ever remember 3 people that I knew who had an outtie. I think innies look a whole heap better though, even though there's nothing wrong with outties I guess. But yeh I like it especially when I see girls wearing crop tops and who have innies. I don't exactly know what it is about them but I think it's attractive. I mean look at the latina in this article, her showing her belly button makes her look sexy. TeePee-20.7 (talk) 14:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I have an outie >_> Dagron12345 (talk) 05:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Pertaining to TeePee's comment, I don't think any of that should be considered. For one, many navel lovers love outies (outielovers.com for example) -- and two, this is not an opinion site. So if you wanna see "innie vs. outie" in terms of black and white opinionated sexual deviation, go to a fetish site. This is not the place. 69.120.222.239 (talk) 07:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] belly button

I am wondering how the belly button got its name.

It's in the belly area and looks like a button. ;-) 87.81.108.52 22:52, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Informations

Can someone post more scientific information about the umbilicus? I agree that the article should have its "social" part but there is more info about the social aspect of it than the umbilicus itself. I'd like to know, for example, why some umbilicus are "innies" and why some are "outies".

[edit] Hi!

I just wonder whether anybody could explain if "out" navels are dependent of how the umbilical cord is treated, i.e. if they can become more or less common over time? Best regards --Sponsianus 23:09, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sensitivity

Anything about the sensitivity of the area? such as cleaning it and picking at it? It usually feels quite unconfortable. 71.250.9.119 15:31, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

The picture in the article is rather unclear - I think we all know what a belly button is, but it's impossible to tell what you're looking at in that image. I think a more head-on picture or something like that would make it easier to figure out. --DearPrudence 07:17, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Its an anus. --81.1.103.73 (talk) 18:24, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] location

In the header, the article says that the location varies. However, right below that in the second called "human anatomy", it says that the location is "relatively consistent." While I understand that these are not exactly contradictory, it's at the very least rather unclear. What is the variation? ±1cm? ±5cm? I don't think I have any ability to survey enough people to answer this myself... --Strait 00:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Statisitcs

It'd be nice if we could include more data on innie v. outie for belly buttons. Like the frequency of each, and perhaps some theories on what causes the difference? I'm thinking that a lot of people coming to this page are looking for that type of info. --Kerowyn ^{Leave a note} 09:23, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeh I agree. TeePee-20.7 (talk) 14:17, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Picture

The new picture of a female belly button (swimsuit pic) is far more aesthetically pleasing than the earlier picture of Donald Rumsfeld's hairy navel.

I put my picture there and someone put a picture of a big hairy belly there. This one from swimsuit article would look better

[edit] Unsourced quote

I've moved the following unsourced quote to here until it can be properly sourced, per Wikipedia:Verifiability.

Deirdre Day-MacLeod, in an essay on the navel, sums it up by saying that "perhaps it is the navel's lack of obvious purpose, combined with its audacious, almost arrogant, spot right there in the middle of things, that sucks its admirers in".

-- Donald Albury^(Talk) 11:11, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

[edit] Navel exposure in Indial culture

All the claims stated here has not cited with any verifiable claims and I was unable to find any viable information on that. Please provide the information or please erase the claims if the information could not be proved right.

This particular entry in the article seems out of place. It shouldnt be placed here as it seems to be concerned with the Indian Culture more than anything else. 122.167.100.251 (talk) 19:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Naval reconstruction

Hello everyone. I was searching onthe web for articles about navel reconstruction and (not finding anything) stumbled upon this site. I have accepted the daunting task of tattooing a bellybutton on a lady who had surgery many years ago, and as a result the bellybutton was totally removed. While sketches of this strange body part have been very successful and lifelike, the actual tattoo has it's share of inherent problems (i.e. the shape of the image changes drastically when the person is standing, as opposed to laying on the table during the procdeure.) (For those of you who have never experienced a tattoo, it is imperative that the skin be flat and taut or it doesn't work very well). I guess what I was hoping for were maybe photos of anything similar that I can compare to --or--I know the chance is slim-- any one who may have done something similar to this contacting me with some pointers. I take lots of pride in my work but this one has got me stumped..! Please email me @ countrydiva@wildblue.net

--12.213.224.38 16:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC) Thank you Michael.KJ Sam 02:48 26 May 2003 (UTC)

This talk page is for discussing the contents of the article. It is not a blog, discussion forum, or locater service. -- Donald Albury 01:38, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This picture is too hairy

Its confusing. Can we get one from a swimsuit magazine or something? The one up there ^ is obscure.

But my main question is what causes an outie? There was mention of it being "random". Wtf?

[edit] Genetics

Are outies genetic? Because My father, brother, sister, and I all have outies, and we were all delivered by different doctors.

[edit] Image

There has been a lot of conjecture on this page (and on the history page) about each successive image being unpleasant (and I agree), and the removed images have still continued to be replaced by something users have found equally distasteful.

Many heterosexual men find certain parts of the male anatomy repulsive, it’s just something weird that the majority of us share, but I also know of multiple women that have been repulsed by the thought of a male navel. So it’s not just us. Women are just more attractive and approachable on the whole, nobody would take offense or be turned-off looking at the page if it was a female navel - so what’s the big hang-up about using a woman’s belly button for this article’s picture?

And if anyone truly objects to my particular image, then use one of your girlfriend, sister or yourself (female Wikipedia editors). The procession of images on here suggests that we Wikipedia editors are all male loners who don’t have any contact with females…

My image serves as a better overall description of the topic and focuses solely on the area in question, it doesn’t show a variety of body parts in addition to the one it is detailing, in the way that past images on this page have - and it isn't covered in hair. Lughguy 03:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Outies

I think there should be a mention and an image of an "outie" belly button... it seems to be absent from this article--71.194.128.49 09:02, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The male of this species

The picture shows Female umbilicus, wouldn't it be good to have also a picture of the male of this species ?

• There's no point as it is essentially the same (but often less visible due to hair), but the person above's comments ring true - I wouldn't like looking at a picture of a guy's, whereas I don't think women would mind either way. 86.149.37.106 (talk) 14:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

• • As for the line that will thus apparently be written immediately before mine: I think the picture of a navel shown somewhere above IS a guy's, as it shows a line of "upper pubic hair" leading up to it. I believe that's sometimes referred to as a "trail." And I think that's much more characteristic(if not exclusively so)of a guy, though not all guys have the feature--for some, there's no hairline connecting the navel and the pubic hair.

But my own point is that "navel" is a better name than "belly button" generically, though the latter has a more "friendly" sound to it. To my thinking, though I know the terms are used interchangeably, even by me, a belly button applies only to an "outy," because there's indeed a sort of "button" there -- that is, something that can be "pushed." An "inny is just a hole, which sometimes contains a little "button" inside it, but more commonly doesn't. It's just a hole, of different sizes & depths according to the individual. So "button" doesn't have much meaning in that case. Not that it makes a lot of difference. As for placement, the statement that they're always in the same place is correct only in a general sense.... meaning that they're somewhere on the stomach or belly area. But some are placed quite low below the waistline, others quite high up, well above the waistline.Redheadtodd 04:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unencyclopedic tag

What are the reasons for the unencyclopedic tag? Is this referring to the Fashion or Sexuality section? In my opinion, neither subject falls under the category of what Wikipedia is not, and the tag should be removed or changed to a more appropriate template. --Evil1987 13:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nipples?

In the picture, you can see the woman with her nipples protruding. Is this allowed? Un1234l (talk) 23:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. There should be a better image for this. 130.85.227.95 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 00:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is allowed. See WP:CENSOR. -- Joquarky (talk) 00:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Picture again

I'm removing the picture captioned "Human male navel and torso;" not on any grounds of taste, but because it just doesn't show the navel very well. Dr. eXtreme 13:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shouldn't this be moved to "Belly-button?"

Last time I checked, the preferred Wikipedia practice was to use the most common name unless it was (1) unclear (2) inherently non-NPOV (3) misleading, etc. 72.83.187.25 (talk) 22:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)