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[edit] Merging

The article Hindu_Astrology already contains this information.

Please don't. The Navagraha are important as a separate article. --BostonMA 22:48, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
To clarify, the Jyotisha article is about astrology. However, worship at Navagraha temples is, I think, something other than astrology. I think an article entitled Navagraha is important in its own right. --BostonMA 22:56, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I too would argue against merging: each of the nine Grahas potentially could have a reasonable article. We already have the nine articles, a category and this overview article. However, a number of the articles need expansion. Cje 09:19, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
My first article on Graha, not to be mistaken to planet, is now merged with 'NavaGraha' article, thanks - Sarma Pisapati, Bethlehem PA

I am not sure but I think Shani should be assigned the Neuter Gender and not the Female Gender. Sorry for not having an ID right now.

[edit] Other meaning of Graha?????

"A graha is basically anything that can lay hold of,control another thing,object.It refers mainly to sprits or spiritual beings or entities. The Navgrahas are nine (9) such entities.According to the astrological treatise Prasna Marga there are many other spiritual entities called grahas or spirits.All (excepting the navgrahas) are said to have been born of the anger of Lord Shiva or Rudra.Most grahas are generally malefic in nature but there are a few that are/can/maybe good according to the named treatise above.I will at a future date and time give the exact reference in the said treatise. [1].

Also in the book called The Puranic Encyclopedia, under the heading Graha Pinda, a list of such grahas(spirits or spiritual entities,etc) are named,given that are said to afflict children,etc. Also in same book in various places names of spirits (grahas) are given like Skhanda graha that is said to cause miscarriage(s), [2]

Thus The term graha though in this contexts applies to the nine (9) planetary dieties,spirits,spiritual beings-entities,etc.The term mostly refers to any spirit(ual) force in general as attempted to be explained in this editing."

The text above was added by an unidentified user User:200.108.6.182. Though referenced, I am not sure if this is true. I would like the uploadeder to clarify more about the subject.

Also anyone else knows about it. Please add info.--Redtigerxyz 11:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I did a tidy up and removed the above phrase about a graha controlling or laying hold of objects as it appears to contradict what is said about a graha being a cosmic marker or 'traffic sign'. If this isn't correct perhaps someone could clarify.Neelmack 15:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Slokas - to include or to not

There is also a stotra in the praise of the Navagrahas.

"Namah Sooryaya, Chandraya, Mangalaya, Budhaya cha, Guruhu, Shukra, Shanibhihi cha Rahuve, Ketuve Namaha"

Some people believe that by chanting this stotra, man is relieved from all his sins and bad effects that may occur due to these grahas on him.

A general mantra for Navagrahadevataaya :

"Aum, brahmaamuraaris-tripuraantakaari, bhaanuh-shashi, bhoomi sutau buddhashca, gurooshca-shukrah shani-raahu-ketavah, kurvantu sarve grahaah shaanti-karaa bhavantu".

This mantra is associated with Brahmaa and the nine planets (grahas). Brahmaa is the Lord who controls the nine planets. This mantra calls for him and the nine planets to relieve the ill effects of the nine planets in general. You can chant this mantra for at least 7 times a day.

The above slokas were removed from the article by User:Danny. About the inclusion of slokas, a discussion is started by me on WP:HINDU, please present your views there.--Redtigerxyz 06:10, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Summary on all nine grahas

I have restored the summary on all the navagraha which an anonymous contributor deleted. The value of having this information all together in one article is to save the user having to enter and exit no less than nine different articles to get even the most basic information, even if that information is duplicated. The information given in the table is simply insufficient, and at least a paragraph on each graha is necessary if this article is to have any value.Neelmack 09:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Then shorten the information and add {{main|article}} templates. And please don't refer to me as anonymous, I am IPSOS. IPSOS (talk) 13:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Great job IPSOS. considering the present form of the article, I suggest the table be removed and the images and information be put in resp. sub-sections. As a sample, Surya section is edited--Redtigerxyz 13:22, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
As no objection was taken, i have removed the table and merged info in resp. sections. The reasoning was that a person had to refer the table AS welll as the section for the complete info of a graha.--Redtigerxyz 13:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi me again :). I agree information shouldn't be repeated but it seemed a pity to lose the yantras so I reconstituted a reduced table.Neelmack 20:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
The Yantras is going into details, let them be in individual articles.--Redtigerxyz 13:28, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Opinion

I don't mean to be a spoilsport and I appreciate all the hard work put in to make this article, but it is a little hard to follow, and I am indian. I think it can be made much better, I could help out if some is needed. SiegerKranzMeer 01:48, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Para in Lead????

Alternative research and reports of psychics / energy readers affirm that Grahas are independent energy beings causing direct energy influence upon the auras (energy bodies) and minds of beings connected to the Earth (like humans, animals, plants etc.) Each Graha carries a specific energy quality, which is described in an allegorical form through its mythological and astrological references. The energies of the Grahas are getting connected in a specific way to the individual auras of humans at the time they take their first breath in a given nativity. These energy connections remain with the natives of Earth as long as their current body lives. Earth (as an independent energy entity) and its rotation around its axis is an important mediator and deciding factor of how these influences are carried out upon the beings, who are the children of Earth. See more in the Jyotisha Bhavas. Humans are also capable to tune themselves to the chosen energy of a specific Graha through Samyama with that Graha or its presiding deity. The effects of worship of specific deities are manifested accordingly to the layout of their relative energies in a given nativity of a worshipper in question.

does this have to be in the lead.--Redtigerxyz 13:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I find it important to include into the article an alternative description of Graha as a direct influencer and an energy entity. The definition of Graha as a 'marker' or 'traffic sign' is not in accordance with the original etymology of the Sanskrit word used to name it and also defies the millennia-long tradition of worshipping the Grahas as Deities and addressing them as individual energy beings. There are numerous references to the Grahas as energy beings (Deities) in the ancient Jyotisha scriptures (like Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, Kalyana Varma's Saravali etc. etc.).

I do not mind including also the idea of Grahas being the 'markers', as such an idea had been expressed and supported by certain (mostly recent) astrologers. But it's not in accordance with the majority of ancient Jyotisha sources.

I also disagree with Redtigerxyz and Neelmack removing the information referenced in the "Other meaning of Graha?????" section of this discussion.

I take the liberty to restore the information provided by me in my last edit of the page. In case it is removed again I intend to address the Wikipedia authorities regarding the biased and personal-opinion oriented exposure of the subject.

Kind regards, NazarK 17:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Reasons for removal from lead:

  1. Not referenced. Secondary sources should be quoted. see WP:CITE
  2. "Alternative research and reports of psychics / energy readers" By whom??? Secondary sources to confirm that
  3. The inclusion of the info in dispute may be a case of WP:OR
  4. The info can not be in the lead as per WP:LEAD. It discusses details. Inclusion in another section called "Astrological Importance" or something like that can be considered. I do not oppose such an inclusion.
  5. Grahas are acknowedgled as deities in the lead and their worship can been covered in the article.

--Redtigerxyz 10:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

The idea of planets, stars and other celestial bodies being the living energy entities influencing the other beings of the Universe has cross-references in many ancient cultures and had become the background of numerous modern fiction works (like Solaris by Stanisław Lem, see also the movie with the same title). As per Emerald Tablets of Thoth, Earth is also such a being (a Graha), while having a special status of Mother-Planet for the Humans: "know ye that the Earth is living in body - as thou art alive in thine own formed form. - The Flower of Life is as thine own place of Spirit - and streams through the Earth - as thine flows through thy form; - giving of life to the Earth and its children, - renewing the Spirit from form unto form." ref:Emerald Tablets of Thoth. The Keys of Life and Death. http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald13bw.html

Removing above para as the intrepretation of the poem can be considered WP:OR. The mention of Solaris is worthy not of the lead but of trivia section, which WP discourages.--Redtigerxyz 13:39, 12 October 2007 (UTC)