User talk:Natalie West

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Hello, Natalie West, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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[edit] Email

Hi Natalie! Unfortunately, it is not possible to delete the history of articles, as part of the GDFL licence they are released under. Sorry about that. ➨ ЯEDVERS 18:36, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Gothic Horror

Hi Natalie! Just to say that if you are interested in classic Gothic Horror stories, I have my own Gothic Horror yahoo reading group which you are welcome to join. Colin4C 19:03, 25 September 2006 (UTC).

Thanks Colin, I have left a message on your talk page. Natalie West 20:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Read your message, Natalie. It's a yahoo group at: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/Gothic_Horror_Vault Just click on that and follow the instructions about how to sign into yahoo. It's quite easy! If you can figure out wikipedia you can figure out yahoo groups. We are reading one Gothic book (novel or short story collection) per month in roughly chronological order. At the moment we have got to 1818, with Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. Next month we move on to the Tales of Hoffman.....And Sheridan Le Fanu beckons in the distance... Colin4C 23:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: London, it's my favorite place, Gothic in its own right - I live about 50 miles away, but try to get up there as often as possible (I used to live there...in Pimlico...) Colin4C 23:45, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

The category has been moved. Which list of dates do you mean? Rich Farmbrough, 21:20 2 October 2006 (GMT).

[edit] Sir Thomas Myles

That was quick - I started my first ever new Wikipedia article less than an hour ago and you are already helping me to improve it! Pwaldron 00:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by "RC patrollers/admins"! I have added a couple of citations and a stub tag, as you suggested. I am working on a more substantial biographical article about Myles and thought it would be interesting to see whether a brief Wikipedia article would attract the attention of anyone with similar interests. Pwaldron 11:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your support Natalie. Yes it looks like we are back for more troll horror from Hullaballo. She/he is almost certainly a sock-puppet for banned User:Ste4k Colin4C 09:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Corky Coker

I saw your comment on the talk page for Joseph Corky Coker. Your comment would be better placed on that page's nomination for deletion. --Flex 13:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dr Steevens

No offence taken! The poor doctor must have the most mis-spelled name in history. I found a mixture of Steven, Steevan, Steeven, Stevens and Steevans with a surprising absence of Stephen. However, two online photographs of old inscriptions at the hospital both say Steevens. Whether the possessive is Steevens' or Steevens's is another question. Not to mention whether doctor should be abbreviated as "Dr." or "Dr"! You have at least inspired the creation of another new article. Pwaldron 23:43, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bram Stoker

I notice that a new edition of Bram Stoker's short stories has just been published by Penguin Classics, Natalie, which might interest you...Colin4C 12:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Roger Casement NOT a pederast?

Do you have any references to support your edit? Haiduc 00:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I quote Hyde: "Sir Roger Casement was by his public conduct a great humanitarian and a courageous patriot, who gave his life for a political cause in the justice of which he passionately believed." Not bad for a unionist MP. Really, you hunch that Hyde had it in for RC is totally unwarranted. All the material comes from his book on the history of same-sex relations in England, which is meticulously researched and even-handed. Have you seen the diaries, or are you one of those who believes they are not authentic? Haiduc 02:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Horror of Dracula

Hello again, Natalie. Just wondering what your thoughts are on this new article: Count Dracula (fictional character). It's attracting some flak at the Dracula talk page, with talk of merger etc, but IMHO, I think that, seeing as all the other main characters in 'Dracula': Van Helsing, Lucy, Mina, Renfield etc, have their own wikipedia article, that giving the Count his own article is a GOOD idea. IMHO it is a mistake to conflate the character Count Dracula with the novel 'Dracula'. What are your thoughts on the matter? Colin4C 16:45, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your support for this new article, Natalie. Someone else (whom I don't know) started it and I added some bits, though it is still far from perfect. As for the BBC Dracula, I don't think you missed much, the acting was very bad, and the odd plot-twist that Lord Holmewood needed Dracula to cure him of syphilis was a bit risable. According to the media hype this scenario 'exposed Victorian hypocrisy', though I couldn't help thinking that Ibsen had done much the same thing in his play 'Ghosts' in 1881 - 12 years pre-Drac, also the vampire film 'The Hunger' (in the 1980's) used the AIDs metaphor in a more sensible manner. Mina also had a very annoying habit of declaring that 'there are no such things as vampires', about a several dozen times and the whole thing ended with the classic horror cliche in which they-think-they've-killed-the-monster-but-in-the last-reel-he-is-found-to-be-still-alive. Colin4C 10:26, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
No, you didn't miss much, Natalie. My advice is to get hold of the Langella 'Dracula' (now available on UK DVD) and play that over and over again....Colin4C 14:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE:

It could mean those dialects used by less people, or it could mean those possessing inferior attributes. Just impossible to tell. All tongue and cheek you understand. ;) Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 22:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

A roundabout way of saying wikt:YHBT. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
It's a standard user box, not one of Mr Calgacus's creation. That said, some people who have it on their user pages may be quite serious, even if Calgacus is not. Tot weerziens/Á tant tôt/Bis bald, Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Quote " It could mean those dialects used by less people, or it could mean those possessing inferior attributes. Just impossible to tell." To put it another way, either he finds it impossible know to what his motivations were, or (more likely) he knows well enough what he meant and doesnt want to back up what he intended to have been understood by it:}82.41.4.66 09:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Young Ireland

Thanks for that, sorting out typo. Domer48

Natalie West your edits were very interesting on the Young Ireland page. If I could just refer you to some books, in relation to Roy, Foster’s: Modern Ireland 1600-1972. They are Charles Gavan Duffy: Conversations With Carlyle (1892), with Introduction, Stray Thoughts On Young Ireland, by Brendan Clifford, Athol Books, Belfast, ISBN 0 85034 1140. (Pg. 32 Titled, Foster’s account Of Young Ireland.) Which deals with Foster’s, Modern Ireland, and Envoi, Taking Leave Of Roy Foster, reviews of his made up Irish Story, Aubane Historical Society, Cork, by Brendan Clifford and Julianne Herlihy. This book also contains the essays Irish Revisionism, School History, And The Invisibility Of Women. A Review Of Roy Foster’s Modern Ireland, by David Alvey, and Past Events And Present Politics Roy Foster’s Modern Ireland, by Brian Murphy osb. With Brendan Clifford’s, Mangling Irish History: Professor Roy Foster’s Achievement Surveyed, and Julianne Herlihy’s, Selling The Product: Some Observations On Roy Foster’s The Irish Story, Telling Tales And Making It Up In Ireland. I was going to include these titles on the additional reading section, at a later date. I found them very informative, and based on their observations, would question the use of Modern Ireland. Having read Modern Ireland, I personally gave up on much of the Modern histories, and focused primarily on primary sources. Regards Domer48

As to your Edits, I would like to here you views on the Repeal Association. The use of the word “Revolutionary” to describe it? In what context are you using the word? The disparaging way they were referred to as Young Ireland, was used before the formed the Irish Confederation. They were called Young Ireland, when still Members of the Repeal Association, and rejected that title. This is a very important point, because they were determined that the Association remain united. The use of the words “Split” and “Splinter” would not be appropriate, the same way your use of the word “disparaging,” is much more appropriate then the one I used. The terms used at the time was seceded, and faction. The use of terminology therefore is very important, as the use of words have changed, so has there meaning. On the prohibiting of the Clontarf meeting, would it not be wise to mention the proclamation that was issued the night before, and how this “projected slaughter” and “salutary lesson,” they felt to be the motivation behind it. On a personal note, what are you views on the use of the term “Famine,” when describing the potato blight? With an over abundance of food in the country at the time, how could it be described as a famine? Thanks very much,Natalie West P.S If I am on information overload please let me know!

Natalie West Thanks for the message. I have left a link to Michael Doheny’s The Felon’s Track, you might find it interesting. The British Library is a wonderful resource, and carries a lot of material relevant to the subject. They have original copies of the Young Ireland newspapers, such as The Nation, United Irishman (16 editions), The Irish Felon (6 Editions) and the Irish Tribune (5 Editions). Thank you again, Regards Domer48

User Natalie West I have changed some of your text. With the references I have attached, you can check them out in the online edition of the book.Hope you agree. Regards Domer48

Hi Natalie, If your intrested, there is a bit of a discussion on the Irish Confederation Page (Young Ireland). Hope you liked the Felon's Track link. Full of information on the period.Regards User:Domer48:Domer48

[edit] Please explain...

Please explain why you reverted my edits here. When using the "both... and..." construction, if the first item has the personal pronoun "her" and the second item also relates back to the same person, the "her" is required again. And the proposition "on" is better than "in" here, stylistically. So why have you reverted these valid edits? 86.152.202.18 15:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, I made a mistake. You edits to Mally Wollstoncraft are of course completely correct. As the article is featured on the main page today, it is being vandalized every five minutes. I simply reverted to the last version by Awadewit who wrote the article. All I saw was your anonymous IP address and reverted without checking properly. I can see that you have made quite a few edits to Wikipedia so why not register? It only takes a minute and you still get to keep your anonymity. Please accept my apology. Natalie West 16:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Accepted of course - thanks for taking the time to reply :) Am considering setting up an account, as I like editing here... 86.152.202.18 19:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk page move

As you can see, I have moved your old talk page here. Cut and pastes should never be done, and instead the move procedure used. But in this case you could not move the page, since I had to delete your new talk page (with a welcome message on it) before I could move in the old one. All accounts over 4 days old can move a page to a new title, as long as the target name isn't already used. Prodego talk 22:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] English

I noticed you put a comment on User talk:Calgacus about his lesser English user box. It irritated me too so I created my own user box in (mild) retaliation; Template:User keepwikidialect. I invite you to join me in its use. Bobbacon 12:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Bono

Thanks for that information! I'll see if I can't look at it over the weekend and use it as a reference. Thanks for trying to use references! See you around, Chupper 16:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dracula

Thanks for your comments, Natalie. Just been trying to challenge some well known factoids from the Dracula industry in the light of some quite easily obtainable info. For instance the idea that 'Dracula' was ignored by contemporary critics when it first came out is completely untrue: if you actually read the source material one finds that it did in fact get extravagant praise from aforesaid critics. Also the putative distinction between Transylvanian Counts and Wallachian Voivodes is dispelled by even a cursory look at the sources. Transylvania also had Voivodes! Therefore the supposed problem of Transylvanian Drac having a Wallachian title is revealed as a non-problem...and his identity with Vlad Tepes is shown to be even more unlikely than we first supposed it to be...As you suggest, Stoker is revealed, in certain respects at least, as more erudite than his critics...If only the study of Slavic (and Hungarian) languages and institutions was put back on the educational syllabus I'm sure we would all benefit.... Colin4C 13:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Now I'm wondering whether it is possible to tell from the text of 'Dracula', discarding the association with Vlad Tepes, in what century he originated. 15th? 16th? Colin4C 20:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] British/Irish Hugenot category

Hi Natalie, I have left a message on the Huguenot talk page. I think it would be better if were going to have descent categories to have separate Irish and British ones- in cases where it is not certain whether they were Irish or British perhaps we could stick in them in both? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 23:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jane Eyre

Hello again Natalie. Trouble on the Jane Eyre page. An editor has deleted referenced and relevent info on literary allusions and Gothic themes of Jane Eyre and replaced it with a whole lot of other unreferenced stuff. Colin4C 17:43, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Mary Wollstonecraft

I am sending this to everyone who participated about six months ago in the discussion about the appropriate English variant to use for the Mary Wollstonecraft article.

You may wish to read a similar discussion, taking place over a Mary Wollstonecraft pamphlet, A Vindication of the Rights of Men, currently a featured article candidate.

The FAC discussion is here: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/A Vindication of the Rights of Men

The applicable part of the article's talk page is here: Talk:A Vindication of the Rights of Men#FAC: AmEng, BrEng, etc

--ROGER DAVIES TALK 19:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Horror and Terror

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Horror and terror Colin4C (talk) 09:08, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] London Meetup - January 12, 2008

Hi! There's going to be a London Wikipedia Meetup coming Saturday January 12, 2008. If you are interested in coming along take part in the discussion over at Wikipedia:Meetup/London7. The discussion is going on until tomorrow evening and the official location and time will be published at the same page late Thursday or early Friday. Hope to see you Saturday, Poeloq (talk) 03:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)