Template talk:National football squad player

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Following a lot of mucking around, I'll make it so all national football squad templates will display goals, as I feel that should have been included from the start. Poulsen 18:39, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I would certainly agree that the goals column would be a nice-to-have addition, but I am not sure whether it's a good idea to make it fixed. From my survey of the tournament squad lists (see also Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:National football squad player), not one single existing squad list (before or after the application of this series of templates) has this column, and making it a fixture would mean an empty column on many such lists. I would tend to make this optional (by way of {{tl:qif}}) for the time being, then re-consider this move some time in the future when more and more squad lists are equipped with this optional data. --Pkchan 05:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

If you look at the team lists now they are looking rather bizarre, as the hidden goals option in {{nat fs player}} seems to push everything one coloumn to the right. So, I think either implement it fully, or revert back to when there were no problems (delete goal option). It will be easy enough to make a seperate set of goals-moderated templates only for the Denmark national football team, as that is the only place utilizing goals until now that I'm aware of (I have in mind to do the various Denmark Euro and WC squads at some point, too). Poulsen 23:29, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I see. In that case I would agree to your second proposal, ie revert to the version without goals column in {{nat fs player}} and spawn off a version with the goals column for the more informative squad lists. Let's see how these lists evolve over time before re-considering whether to unify the two. --Pkchan 12:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Poulsen, I've acted first and reverted to fix the squad lists for the time being. Meanwhile if you have a better idea, feel free to raise it here. --Pkchan 12:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Good to see everything looks nice and normal again. I've made {{nat fs g start}} and {{nat fs g player}} to include goals. With my miniscule coding skills this seems to be the only way to go, for the time being. Poulsen 13:40, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

What about a "First cap" section? ☺ -- The pathetic APclark Be nice not nasty 20:53, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Caps

(originally posted on User talk:Pkchan)

Hi. I noticed you made the national player template that includes a Caps column. I wanted to know if the caps is supposed to be 1.Games played at the respective tournament, 2.Games played in career up to tournament but not including it, 3. Games played in career up to and including tournament, or 4. Career total games played. I made the squad lists for World Cups from 1930-62. But I left out the caps because I was unsure. I have seen some filled in differently so I was confused. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Libro0 (talk • contribs) .

It would depend on the context at which the template is used. For the tournament squad lists (like the ones you are working on), caps should be the number of international appearances racked up immediately before the start of the tournament, ie (2). (3) is an alternative choice under the same context, but is generally regarded as less descriptive of the player and is editorally more difficult to maintain (see also Talk:2006 FIFA World Cup (squads)#Caps). There might be circumstances where the total number of career international appearances, ie (4), would be useful, eg an official "best lineup" for a national team, though that would be rare. (1) appears to be against the common usagen of the word caps, as the term generally refers to a cumulative figure, and I do not recommend its usage over any circumstances. --Pkchan 22:38, 20 June 2006 (UTC)