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This is a rough draft of NYLT. I would work on it further but I have run out of time for now.

I've done some additions/correction to this. You had some very incorrect and now outdated information. "Brownsea JLT" is a LOCAL name, not the term that was used Nationally. Before we had NYLT we had JLTC. Local councils used their own name on this. Also NJLTCIS is gone. The new NAYLE is NOT really the NYLT staff training that some think. Emb021 16:51, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

is it a requirement to have NYLT training to become an SPL or an ASPL?

No--Gadget850 ( Ed) 12:48, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes or No it depends on your troop. My troop requires it but i am a staff member for the Greater St. Louis Area Council NYLT program and some of the participants are already SPL or ASPL.

[edit] JLT?

As a Scout, I never heard of National Youth Leadership Training. I went through something that we called Junior Leader Training. --Smack (talk) 01:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I did TLD (Troop Leader Development). TLD (1970s) = JLT (1980s) = NYLT (2000s) --Gadget850 ( Ed) 00:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

NYLT is a new course released by national to replace JLT. TLD has been replaced with TLT(Troop Leadership Training) --BadenPowell 04:15, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
correction on the terms. TLD, TLT, JLTC, and NYLT were/are all week-long, council run training. TLD (Troop Leader Development) was in the 70s. Very late 70/early 80s it became TLT (Troop Leadership Training), later renamed JLTC (Junior Leader Training Conference) in the mid-80s or so. NYLT replaced JLTC a couple of years ago. Its important to keep this straight, as National ALSO has/had a series of junior leader training delivered by the troop, and for a brief time had a weekend training course given by district and multitroops that was between the troop delivered training and the weeklong council delivered training (this in the 70s & 80s). Emb021 2 February 2007
There may have been some overlap in terms on the older programs. I have a TLD certificate from ca. 1976 signed by my Scoutmaster. I'm sure that was a weekend program at the troop level. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
There is also an ambuguous use of the terms within troops. My troop has a weekend-long JLT training course once a year for the current leaders and anyone else nominated by the PLC. In addition, we also have a TLD course twice a year to train the current leaders and define their jobs (ex. give the QM his responsibilities and explain them all, etc.). As far as I can tell, NYLT is the national level of training (usually done over the course of a week with the council) in which they recieve the NYLT pocket patch. Several troops in my council also have the "Troop JLT" in which they recieve the "Trained" cuff patch. Tomi Undergallows (talk) 15:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Which is why I recently added the "Youth leadership training continuum" section as an overview of the whole program. Troop level training is now called Troop Leader Training (TLT). --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 16:02, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Improvements

  • Section titles should not include NYLT
  • BSA has no secrets. Safeguarded material yes.
  • A number of words in upper case that shoul be lower case- see the capitalization section of the Language of Scouting
  • Define abbreviations (SPL, JASM) on the first use
  • No mention of TLD (Troop Leader Development) from the 70s, nor of White Stag.
  • No sources
  • External links: convert to references where possible, convert to cite format
  • That JLT link is not a BSA site as implied, it's also very out of date- recommend delete
  • The staff section needs to be simplified and bullets removed.
  • There is no discussion of what Scouts actually learn and do at NYLT.

--Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC) Y Done --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 01:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

  • No discussion about debate on why NAYLE might not be working and how our NYLT courses might be hurting badly for staff members. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.120.179.226 (talk) 05:04:40, August 19, 2007 (UTC) Note: The last bullet point has been editeed for less, if not any, bais. Admiral MH (talk) 00:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Any content related to this needs reliable sources. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 01:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Leadership positions

The article devotes a lot of attention to troop leadership positions (SPL et al). This belongs at Boy Scouts (Boy Scouts of America), except where it relates specifically to NYLT. --Smack (talk) 17:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I see what smack is saying, however, is it valid to point that out in this article, since part of the NYLT development is in being apart of staff? I noticed the outline of the course (i.e. the staff positions) was removed, however, maybe this can be re-incorporated either where it was to explain the importance i mentioned earlier, or to be used as a general idea for how the camp is structured? I can go ahead on that edit, but I'd like to get some opinion first.

[edit] Bad info here

This article had many factual errors. Go to the National Website www.bsa.org and then go to Boy Scouts/Adults/Training/Supplemental Training/Youth Leader Continuum for the correct info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BSAtrainer (talk • contribs) 01:08, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

  • You need to be more specific here. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed

With no prior discussion, the disputed tag has been applied. I can only speculate this has something to do with the earlier reversions of material copied from the BSA web site and the short discussion. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I checked with JzG— he was just relaying a non-specific WP:OTRS message. He did ask the sender to discuss this here. I suggest we let the tag sit for a few days. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I would like to see a discussion on what is going on at Philmont. I've gotten a lot of complaints from youth coming back from the NAYLE program? Has anyone heard gotten familiar complaints. I'm disappointed in the BSA for again for falling to the knees of one influential person that really lacks a understanding of youth leader training. I have a scout that staffed NAYLE this summer and told me some of the things that were going on with the adults out there, and it makes me want to call the values hot line. We are really hurting our local council training programs for the hyprocracy of just a few people on national. We need to fight this people! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.150.209.13 (talk) 05:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I understand where you are coming from, but this is not a forum (see WP:TALK). The talk page is used to discussed the article and how to improve it. "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." (See WP:V} We cannot include material here unless it has a reliable, published source. You may be frustrated, but WP is the wrong place to build activism— you need to direct your energies towards the Scouts-L or Scouter.com forums. If there are specific facts in the article that are wrong or missing, we can work on that. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 11:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I am finding this part of wikipedia to be very confusing. The content that was listed for NAYLE was accurate yet was removed. I assume this is because the topic listing is NYLT and so the information will ONLY be NYLT, with other coursses from the BSA National Youth Training Continuum (which consist of TLT and NAYLE) to be refernced under their own subheadings? And do all the various courses designed by individual councils and camps also get their own listings? I do hope the corrections are made soon to NYLT and stay in place so that accurate informaton is put out on wikipedia. The material on the BSA website is still "the" most reliable source for all of these courses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BSAtrainer (talk • contribs) 16:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

The disputed tag was up for three months and no one came forward with any details as to the issues. The NAYLE and YSDC material was removed, YSDC now has its own article and NAYLE and TLT are redlinked pending article creation; there is now an overview shoing how these programs are linked. If there are any other concerns, please be specific. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 15:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 2009 changes

Waiting for reliable sources before adding:

  • No local names
  • Wood Badge will be required for adult staff
  • Scoutmaster and assistant can earn Wood Badge beads
  • Scoutmaster may serve only two years

[1] [2] --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 14:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC)