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[edit] Club names

All club names are entered according to official NRL registers. If people continue to change club names, then I will apply to have this page locked. St George Illawarra are not St George, they are St George Illawarra. The Bulldogs are not Canterbury, they are the Bulldogs. This change was reflected in the Bulldogs team page being renamed also. They have been the Bulldogs officially since 1999.

The only necessary changes needing to be made between now and March 2007 are to the fixtures for the first five rounds. Any other changes will see the page locked. It has gotten to the point where it's bordering on vandalism. Timmah86 10:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, Cronulla Sutherland is the name, not just Cronulla. And another is Manly Warringah, not Manly. Thanks. ~~Yellow Sock~~
Technically, these shortenings are acceptable. The hyphens in each name which you neglected to include (ie. "Cronulla-Sutherlang & Manly-Warringah) mean that the primary part of the names are acceptable for shortened use.
Contrastingly, "St George Illawarra" contains no hyphen, so must stand as a "whole" unit (unless speaking of the pre-1998 sides). Gonzerelli 14:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Well you can always ask an admin to have a look at locking the page cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 04:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

In the current ladder, why are Wests Tigers the only club to have their mascot(Tigers) included? Just like Sydney Roosters is shortened to Sydney, Wests Tigers should only be Wests in the ladder. Why are they so special to have their full name? - BillyBoy

The reason should be quite simple, the'Wests Tigers' are a merged team, if you leave out the Tigers part you will offend the Balmain side of the joint-venture.CEP78 04:35, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes obviously it's a joint venture club all league supporters know that by now, so what? Just cause we say "Wests" it doesn't mean we forget about Balmain! If that's the case then you should have St George Illawarra Dragons everywhere the saints are mentioned. - BillyBoy

We need to take into account that some people viewing the site may not no that. I think we should try to use the official names for each club, that should mean refering to 'Sydeny Roosters', not just Sydney. ps: sorry if i got a bit worked up before, i guess we all want the same thing.CEP78 06:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. Consistency is best I think. However, the Canterbury Bulldogs must be lsited as 'Bulldogs' apparently.--Jeff79 01:28, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, if you're only going to have stupid geographically indistinct names like "Bulldogs" for Canterbury-Bankstown, then why not also be consistent? North Queensland Cowboys is officially just "Cowboys" just like on their club logo there is no "North Queensland" Likewise for NZ Warriors - it's just "Warriors" - BillyBoy

Maybe you should leave it alone, seeing as you have no idea what you are talking about. I prefer the name Canterbury-Bankstown too, however that does not change the fact that they have been officially known as the 'Bulldogs' since the start of the 2000 season. CEP78 04:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rep fixtures

Should State of Origin, city vs country and the test match be in the fixtures because they are now sss333 00:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes they should and yes they are. As the season progresses we will enter links in place of them but for now as a general overview of the season we will keep them there. Timmah86 10:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
No, they are not NRL matches. This page is called "National Rugby League season 2007". The National Rugby league does not have the Maroons and Blues teams in it. These are different. People have created separate state of origin pages for each year. This page should just link to that.--Jeff79 23:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
It is accepted they are not official NRL matches, but they form part of the general season which has a reasonably major bearing on the NRL Season as a whole. It is important to have them in place to understand how a season is run with the NRL, ARL and such working all in together and should stay. 165.228.122.164 01:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fixtures

Well done to whoever tidied up the fixture page. Looking far more professional now. I believe we should have a section at the top of the article to document major events of the season such as records broken. For examples, look at previous NRL pages, or those of other sports. Keep up the good work.

[edit] Extra notes

I fully support extra notes being included, for the purpose of including significant events as they relate to each round - for example, the Sonny Bill Williams tackle on Andrew Johns and subsequent send-off. HOWEVER, make sure we follow Wikipedia policies on this!

One of the most important things to keep in mind is the Neutral Point Of View (NPOV). What may seem like a fair summary may in fact not be completely neutral. Please keep this in mind.

Another thing to avoid is editorialising. Unless there is something of significance, we don't need to make a note on every game (that's what the info in the tables is for!). So, in the example above, of course we should note the Williams-Johns incident. However, it is not necessary to say "The Bulldogs went on to lead at half time 18-2, despite being one man down, but Newcastle came back to win the match 25-24" - this would also be quite superfluous.

Please consider this when adding notes.

Gonzerelli 16:11, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Who gives a crap, someone else can do the updates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.30.27 (talk • contribs)
If that's the attitude you're gunna take... Then who gives a crap what's written, I won't bother editing it, I'll just delete it and someone else can re-write it.
Seriously, the point is that if you're gunna make an edit, you should do it properly.
Gonzerelli 16:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Agree with Gonzerelli completely. Looking at the 2006 NRL Season Results article, it's a bit disjointed, but it's good that all the notable match information is still available. I guess a similar thing will happen with this season's article as it too will become too large. I'd hate for the info to be deleted.--Jeff79 00:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
So long as people get it right. Last night i removed a statement that said the Cowboys had never lost in Auckland. Only last year they lost 26-0....to name one result. --IanRitchie 01:07, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Where's the pill whining about descriptive additions now, someone has snuck in and written about the Grand Final in less than a bleak monotone.

[edit] Fixtures

The Fixtures will be moved onto a separate page eventually, so I was wondering why don't we do it now? I miss having a table of contents to click on to take me to the game I want instead of all this scrolling. And this page takes longer to load than others. It's gonna be split anyway, like the 2006 season, why don't we do it now?--Jeff79 03:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

If anyone knows how to do that (split the Fixtures into a separate article), then it seems to me a good idea to do so, making the page load quicker for one thing.–Newbyguesses - Talk 23:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Done guys. Makes both articles a lot cleaner. 165.228.122.164 01:31, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Results and Coverage in the Media

  • I have added a section Coverage and Results. It's near the end, and it may not even get read by many . WP policy, as displayed on the EditPage, is that unsupported statements may be removed at any time, (Encyclopedic content must be verifiable), although exactly how this is to apply in the case of an on-going event is not clear to me. Nevertheless, citation tags, which are messy, even aggravating, may get added to statements that create doubt in any reader who also knows how to edit. (This is already happening.) So, those editors who enhance the initial match reports (rewording, fixing spelling etc) may wish to consider if they can also provide a source (reference) where applicable, giving as source a written or on-line report (actually read by the editor) which supports the claim. The Wikipedia:Manual of style, WP:FOOT (for footnotes), and WP:CITE may help.
  • I have not added any references (yet) to this section! In particular, since for some reason the Official NRL site refuses to load for me at the moment, I would wish to be confirmed by any knowledgable editor the NRL's official publication. Any suggestions, or problems with what I did (added a section) please update the article and/or discuss on the talkPage. Thanks —Newbyguesses - Talk 22:58, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aussie Stadium/Sydney Football Stadium

Timmah86 wrote Following Round 17, Aussie Stadium's naming rights deal expired, with the name reverting to the Sydney Football Stadium. Does this not mean that up to and including round 17, the venue is recorded as Aussie Stadium, not Sydney Football Stadium? Just wondering why the previous rounds were edited to show Sydney Football Stadium? Florrie 11:07, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

As per 2006_NRL_Season_Results (see Mt Smart Stadium, occurred at the same time last year), a Stadium name change has been moved to cover the entire season. This avoids confusion for those who are new to reading about the NRL competition. It also assists with people identifying Roosters games as per their listed home ground at the top of the article. The note in Round 17 is sufficient to cover the previous information, as is the SFS's own Wiki. Cheers! Timmah86 10:21, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation! Florrie 10:34, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scheduling

There are 16 teams, 25 rounds with one bye per team. That means every team plays 24 games. Playing every other team home and away would require 30 games. Is there an official system to determine which teams face each other twice in a season. Either way, I think this peculiarity (from an european perspective) in scheduling needs a mention, even if very brief. Are there "derby-groups" so that e.g. Souths and Bulldogs always play twice in a year, or is the intention that all pairs teams should play three times over two years, or at least to keep the match ups balanced? /85.194.44.18 09:36, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I know for certain that there are two different pools of eight eams determined by their results in the previous season. In the case of this year I believe the on pool is made up of teams that finished 1, 3, 5, 7... and one with 2, 4, 6, 8... in 2006. The Gold Coast Titans, new in 2007, were 16th I think. Each team plays teams in the opposite pool twice and in their own once. That's the way I remember reading it, although now that I have a look it couldn't be that case since the Sydney Roosters (15th in 2006) play 9th-16th twice this year apart from New Zealand (10th). So I can't really help you about how the teams were seeded but I certainly the two-pool system is correct. mdmanser 10:37, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I heard about the two pool system as well, a few months ago. I gathered it was something like the top 8 teams played the bottom 8 twice and the other teams in the top 8 once while the bottom 8 played each other once and the top 8 twice. Florrie 12:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I would have thought in that case you would have seven teams left out, not six. (There being seven other teams in the same half of the draw). 121.208.196.161 13:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

ADDENDUM: http://www.nrl.com/News/Latest/NewsArticle/tabid/76/NewsId/3613/Default.aspx

If you scroll down on that, you get the groups; apparently the two pool system is correct, and they do a lucky draw for the final fixture. The groups are 1,4,5,8,9,12,13,16 and 2,3,6,7,10,11,14,15; based on regular season finishing positions [you'll note the positions add to equal numbers, which supposedly indicates greater equality between groups]. The bonus match is based on club requests apparently.

[edit] Table Removes

I've removed the following table because I don't think it adds much to the article any longer. I've left it here just in case there is consensus against this move.

Club Location Home Stadium/s Avg. Home Crowd
Brisbane Broncos Red Hill, Brisbane, Queensland Suncorp Stadium 36,155
Bulldogs Belmore, Sydney, New South Wales Telstra Stadium 16,014
Canberra Raiders Canberra, Australian Capital Territory Canberra Stadium 11,857
Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks Cronulla, Sydney, New South Wales Toyota Park 10,941
Gold Coast Titans Gold Coast, Queensland Gold Coast Stadium, Carrara 17,924
Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles Brookvale, Sydney, New South Wales Brookvale Oval 15,012
Melbourne Storm Melbourne, Victoria Olympic Park Stadium 12,106
New Zealand Warriors Auckland, New Zealand Mt Smart Stadium 13,862
Newcastle Knights Newcastle, New South Wales Energy Australia Stadium 19,955
North Queensland Cowboys Townsville, Queensland Dairy Farmers Stadium 19,909
Parramatta Eels Parramatta, Sydney, New South Wales Parramatta Stadium 14,885
Penrith Panthers Penrith, Sydney, New South Wales CUA Stadium 14,729
South Sydney Rabbitohs Redfern, Sydney, New South Wales Telstra Stadium 14,428
St George Illawarra Dragons Kogarah, Sydney, New South Wales
Wollongong, New South Wales		 WIN Stadium
Oki Jubilee Stadium		 10,157
Sydney Roosters Bondi Junction, Sydney, New South Wales Sydney Football Stadium 11,697
Wests Tigers Concord, Sydney, New South Wales Campbelltown Stadium
Leichhardt Oval
Telstra Stadium		 16,376

mdmanser 05:07, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Media Coverage

Was this section just cut & pasted from the Rugby league in Australia article? Because none of it is NRL-specific and none of it is 2007-specific. Doesn't belong in this article. Will remove if no one objects.--Jeff79 (talk) 23:41, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with proposal to delete. It doesn't read as specific to the 07 season. -Sticks66 (talk) 13:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok. But rather than deleting it, I think it'd fit nicely into the Rugby league in Australia article. Any thoughts?--Jeff79 (talk) 00:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

It was added by an experienced editor called User:Newbyguesses in June 2007 & has had some edits since. Newbyguesses hasn't contributed a lot since Aug 07, hasn't contributed on RL since June 07 & contributes primarily in matters of philosophy & in matters of Wikipedia policy on content. It seems to me from reading the talk page here that he/she was looking at the issue of how to add citations to assertions made in the article about match reports. He/she added a section that might steer other editors to what published media sources might provide evidence. This is indeed an interesting issue. I have raised a similar question here. Not sure how the Newbyguesses contribution to the article actually resolves the issue; but I think it contributes. What does all this mean re where we put the paragraph ? That it should be on the Rugby league in Australia article, I guess. -Sticks66 (talk) 01:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Done.--Jeff79 (talk) 00:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I just noticed this thread. Good move. Newbyguesses - Talk 08:53, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Entertainment

[1] "A video tribute to Hyde, who died on Monday at the age of 91, will be played at halftime of the NRL clash between Melbourne and Manly while he will also be honoured with a minute's silence before the Premier League grand final between North Sydney and Parramatta.

The NRL has announced a strong Australian music line-up for the pre-game entertainment which will include performances from Shannon Noll, the Rogue Traders, Amy Pearson, Vanessa Amorosi and ARIA Hall of Fame inductees the Hoodoo Gurus."

The only ones I remember are the Rogue Traders and Hoodoo Gurus so don't know if the others fronted or not. Whatshername Bassingthwaite sang the National Anthem. NRL.com news only mentions Shannon Noll, Rogue Traders and Hoodoo Gurus. [2] •Florrie•leave a note• 07:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Ta. Also found this [3] on Youtube. The announcer at the end mentions Shannon Noll coming up.--Jeff79 (talk) 07:54, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Do you think the tribute to Frank Hyde is worth a mention? Didn't see it myself (didn't get live coverage) so don't know how prominent it was on the day. •Florrie•leave a note• 08:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I didn't see it either and I know less about it than you do. Still, the more info the better I say. Should also be mentioned in his article as well.--Jeff79 (talk) 09:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Righto. •Florrie•leave a note• 12:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)