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[edit] Leom and Race

MathKnight hi. The leom clause has the possibilities "Jew", "Arab", "Bedouine" and "Drouze". There is no word in English I know of for these distinctions other than race. When an Israeli sees Leom he understands that this is a euphemism for Geza, but for English readers this is far from obvious. Hence either translate it as "race", or explain in greater length what is meant. Writing "nationality" is meaningless since for all Israelis, the nationality is "Israeli". Gadykozma 20:56, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Well, "Leom" is not race since "Arab", "Druze" and "Bedouine" are from the same race. I'll try to explain what "Leom" means: take Belgium for instance, though the nationality is Belgian - there are two nation, two peoples, two leoms - in there: the Walloons and the Flemings. Belgium is a bi-national state. Israeli is a state with serveral national minorities - and therefore has the "Leom" clause in the ID card. Merely translating "Leom" as race (גזע Geza, in Hebrew) is misleading since "Race" has entirely different comotations.
Saying that, I think we should find some sort of translation that will be accepted by both of us, for the meanwhile I suggest writeing "Leom clause" where the "Leom" will be WikiLink into this section. MathKnight 21:05, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
The term is "nationality"; race is an outdated concept, and different Arab groups are not different races. "Nationality is how it is typically translated into English; see [1] Jayjg 21:27, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Jayjg, if you say this is clear for an English speaking reader, I'll take your word for it. Gadykozma 21:58, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Mafdal/NRP

Which is more common in English? Mafdal's homepage refers to the party as NRP. How does this relate to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)? Should the page be renamed National Religious Party (this is now a redirect)? Gady 17:24, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I prefer the Hebrew name Mafdal as the name, since a "National Religious Party" can relate to other parties in other countries. But since there is a redirect is not much of an accutic problem. MathKnight 17:30, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
IIRC you are an Israeli, like me, right? Let's give the natural speakers their say about this point. Gady 18:12, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The English name is National Religious Party, often abbreviated as NRP. Only Hebrew speakers refer to it as Mafdal. I'm not aware of any other political parties worldwide which are referred to as the "National Religious Party". Jayjg 18:26, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Biased???

It might be just the wording, not the message, of whoever wrote these passages, but it should be IMHO reworded for subjective/biased and in any case, non-objective language:

[edit] Supporters

Mafdal supporters are comprised mainly of religious Zionists, who are ideologically religious Jews, which obey all the laws and commandment (Mitzvah) of Judaism. They are considered as highly-motivated and disciplined soldiers and have excellent reputation of contributing to the Israeli state and the Israeli society. However, they are idealist and very stubborn concerning ideology issues. Many of them are living in West Bank settlements.

MUST be re-worded. Reputation? Whose? Many? How many? "idealist" and "stubborn" is highly subjective and doesn't follow Wiki's guidelines. Considered? By whom? (as a side note, I must say that the image of the "settler with the Uzi" is actually one of the images that is being used by Israel's opponents and critics, and does not necessarily compliment Israel as written before. In other words, controversial at best). And - Whose quote is that?

It is based on general atmosphere of public, as manifests on small-talks, TV magazines and newspapers articles and "color stories". The military reputation of the religious Zionist (RZ) soldiers is attributed to serveral stories in the Israeli press which point out the how the RZ filling up the petty officer and field command ranks, and are given complements by senior officers.
As for "idealist" and "stubborn", if you can find better words for young people keen to their beliefes and idealogy, please tell me.
The "settler with the Uzi" is not directly related to Mafdal and RZ, as not all of its supporters are settlers and not all settlers are religious. MathKnight 10:02, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

"Wherever you look, you see them. Members of the national religious community, with the knitted kippot on their heads. In academia, in economic life, in the educational system, in hi-tech, medicine, the courts, the I.D.F., even in the media. Each one of them doing their bit of kiddush Hashem in daily endeavors." All quotes must be attributed to a source in Wikipedia.

I think it pretty obvious it is attributed to Mafdal's wrbsite. MathKnight 10:02, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The religious Zionists can be recognized by their colorful hand knitted yarmulkah (skull-cap , כיפה ) and therefore their nickname is הכיפות הסרוגות ("Ha-Kippot Ha-Srugot", lit. "The Knitted Yarmulkhas").

Are all religious Zionists members, or supporters, of the Mafdal? Since it is an article about Mafdal, not about religious zionism, or HaMizrahi, there is no place here for such a paragraph. Not all Kipot Srugot support Mafdal. Above, also, there is no diffrentiation between State-sponsored religious education and that mobilized by the Mafdal.

Not all RZ support Mafdal, though it is identified as the leader of the RZ public. As for education system: the religious-state-sponsered elementry and high school are operated by the State of Israel but almost were supervised by Mafdal Knesset member in the ministry of Education. Higher religious education is funded by state, but operated and supervised by Mafdal or senior RZ rabbis. MathKnight 10:02, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Note: The article was substantially re-edited on November 30, 2005. IZAK 09:06, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] criticism

There is a lot of critism that the Mafdal is focused too much on the Israeli settlements in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and neglects other issues such as education, social responsibility and Ahavat Israel. [...] Despite all the criticism, Mafdal has a reputation of honesty and dedication to its parliamentary duties. None of its Knesset members has been blamed in corruption.

(Is it a paid ad by the Mafdal?).

Be more specific. The main criticism of Mafdal is regarding the settlements issue. In the last few Knesset none of Mafdal Knesset members was involved in corruption scandal AFAIR. MathKnight 10:04, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Placing a cleanup message...One reason and one reason only: Grammar. The article works fine, but the grammar feels...off. --67.82.177.37 05:39, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Note: The article was substantially re-edited on November 30, 2005. IZAK 09:06, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction

The article says that the NRP does not want a Halachic state. But the Halachic state article says that it does. Please resolve. --62.25.109.195 (talk) 09:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)