Talk:National Hockey League/Archive 1

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Two Capitals

Could we find some sort of verification that the NHL might be one of the few professional sports leagues that includes teams playing in the capitals of two separate countries? I might just be a naive American but I don't know if that's too common, and if it isn't it might be noteworthy.

It's desperately UNcommon at best; ten minutes of research hasn't uncovered another such league in any sport. Very few professional leagues are supranational. RGTraynor 18:22, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Haha you made me have to look that up. :P I know that the English Premier League or the second tier has (I think) a team in Scotland but other than that nothing comes to mind. 141.158.151.206 12:49, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

No. Edinburgh has 2 clubs in the Scottish Premier League. Scotland isn't a sovereign state either.
Here you go: Hurricanes (Super rugby franchise) of Wellington, New Zealand, Brumbies Rugby of Canberra, Australia, and Lions (rugby franchise) of Johannesburg, South Africa all play in the Super 14. That might qualify. ccwaters 13:59, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Isn't that more of a champion's league deal? I'm going to put in that of the four North American major leagues (widely considered baseball MLB, basketball NBA, football NFL, and hockey NHL, the NHL is the only two-capital league. I think that's a safe bet. 67.46.0.13 06:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Mm, I just went over the Super 14 article and a few of the representative teams, and CC's right; its constituent teams don't play in national or regional leagues (as is the case with the Champions' League in European soccer), so it would definitely qualify. RGTraynor 07:26, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
As some one that lives in Wellington, NZ, the Super 14 is not like the Champions League. In Australia, the teams are aligned states, while in New Zealand and South Africa, the teams take their best players from teams in the tier below them. Ie for the Hurricanes, they have players from the Wellington union, Taranaki union and about 4 other smaller unions. It's kinda like the NHL (in my understanding) in that teams like the Vancouver Canucks select players from the Vancouver Giants and alike teams. It is certianly no Champions League.--HamedogTalk|@ 00:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, Cardiff (in Wales) play in the English professional football (soccer) leagues. As does another team from wales, though I can't remember which. Similarly, Berwick-upon-Tweed (in England, but very close to the border) play in the Scottish football leagues. Thats due to the high cost of travel, the welsh teams due to the higher standard of the English leagues as opposed to the welsh ones. Loonitreefrog 17:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

GA

Congradulations, National Hockey League is now a GA. False Prophet 19:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Leadership

I think it might be wise to have something about the institutional aspects of the NHL: where its main offices are, who the Commissioner and principle secondary officers are, the members of the Board of Governors and its chairman, and so forth.

Makes eminent sense to me. Write it up! RGTraynor 18:57, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
I personally cannot because I don't know enough of the information; just Bettman and that the office is in New York. That's stuff people can find anywhere on the Net; the real contribution would be the other items I mentioned, which are not as easy to find.

How it works

Could somebody who knows this stuff please add an explanation of the structure of the league, in the sense of who plays who how many times per season and where, how points and play-off places are awarded, how the draw for the play-offs is determined etc etc etc. Thanks! Cambyses 21:42, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Not to be forgotten

Can anyone tell me what the deal is with this phrase? A search for it (in quotes) shows that it appears in every single sports team page, and virtually no where else in the Wikipedia. Is it an actual Encycplodeic convention, or is it just something someone stuck in to a template at some time or another? It strikes me as too folksy and vaguely inappropriate. Wouldn't "Other Notable Players" or something like that be better? I changed it on the Steeler's page before noticing it's in every sports team page, and I'm torn between changing it back to make it fit the sports team model, or keeping the change. Charles 16:26, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Vandalism

I removed the following from the article: ", and it's more likely that the NHL will file under Chapter 11 bankruptcy, due to poor ticket sales during the 2003-04 season." Looking at the user who put this (68.88.14.94) (long history of vandalism, adding nonsense and changing things around) I've decided that this is more vandalism. Admittedly, I'm not a big fan of the NHL, but I've never heard of the remote possibility that it's going to be in Chapter 11. Of course, I could be wrong. If I am, could someone correct me, cite the source, and put it back on! Thanks! Flcelloguy 23:17, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

There's not been a whiff of it out of league or media sources, and the owners had put together a well-publicized $300 million warchest.
I could live with it. Trekphiler 04:24, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
It's true you guys! I read that the league is filing for bankuptcy on CBS last night. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.167.168.100 (talk) 21:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

New Structure for the page

I think this page is quite disorganized and it's hard to find what you're looking for. I recommend we restructure this page, which each section being short and to the point, with a link to another page that has much more information something like the playoff section in the NBA article.

I suggest the following breakdown where each of the subsections are short and to the point. The reader, if wanting more info can go to the more information link if he wants for each section

Top section, which is ok as it is, but we could make it somewhat longer and interesting.

History
(see NHL History for more information)
Original Six
Expansion
Labour Issues
NHL Teams
(see NHL Teams for more information)
Current Teams (organized in divisions)
Defunct Teams (a short listing here, more information would be found in the seperate article)
Organization
(see NHL Organization for more information)
Regular Season
Playoffs
Stanley Cup
Rules
(See NHL Rules for more information)
Time
Scoring
Winning
Offside
Icing
Penalties
Seasons
Current Season
Listing of the links to all the other seasons
NHL People
(see NHL people for more information)
NHL players (here we link to a short list of the great players)
NHL coaches
NHL beaurocrats
Awards
(see NHL awards for more information)
Hart Trophy
Art Ross Trophy
some more major trophies


What do people think? I can start making the new pages, and moving content to them, and then we can start working to make this page better? -- Jeff3000 19:00, July 25, 2005 (UTC)


Also the Evolution of Hockey template would appear in the History part of the section, where I believe it makes the most sense. -- Jeff3000 20:04, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
I've started the re-org with the shortening of the history section, which has been moved to it's own article. Hopefully I'll get to the others in the coming days. -- Jeff3000 15:51, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


"The Pearson Award is the only award named after a politician." The Stanley Cup (governor general), the O'Brien Trophy (senator) and arguably the Lady Byng (GG's wife) are all named after polticians as well.

Ambrose O'Brien became a senator long after he donated the trophy (which has been retired for over fifty years anyhow), and Lady Byng wasn't a politician any more than Laura Bush or Shiela Martin is. Now the Cup is, of course, another matter. (grins) RGTraynor 08:58, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Family Ties

Would anyone object, to a article about NHL family ties? In the Site ,we could have sections like: Brothers ,Father-Son(s) ,Uncles-Nephews etc. Mightberight/wrong 26 October 2005

**Before we start this article, I propose we have the Wikipedia Community take a vote. We should get a census GoodDay 23:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

YES: I support the creation of the article Notable Families in the NHL. The NHL has many family relations (that should be noted), further more, I'd recommend merging it with the article National Hockey League. GoodDay 23:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
I think it would be a neat idea to have an article about families, but merging it with the National Hockey League article? That just doesn't make sense. Masterhatch 00:13, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
The families article would make a good "daughter" article for the National Hockey League. --Aude 00:22, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes "females" should be included as well & I agree with "Masterhatch" ,this article can stand alone (no merger). I'll start adding to the new article. GoodDay 00:45, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes. Could also do/link to a family/dynasty page in other sports, notably Petty (& Allison, & Jarret, &...) in NASCAR, Andretti in Champ cars, Hill (& Schumacher & Villeneuve) in F1. Trekphiler 04:26, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
The more sports Families dynasty/ties, the better. If you create a Nascar Families ties or other Sports families, you got my support. Formerly Mightberight/wrong now GoodDay 15:15, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, just something to add to everyone. Let's move this discussion to Notable families in the NHL "Discussion" page. GoodDay 15:30, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Stuff

Found a factoid about Billy Taylor, who has no page; anybody doing one might use it: set a record 7 assists in 1 game, with Detroit, against Chicago, 16 March 1947. (According to Guinness, which also credited Phil Espo with 7x100point seasons, so maybe, check its accuracy...) Trekphiler 04:30, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

It's accurate. For anyone who wants to use it, it was also matched by Gretzky on three occasions: 2/15/80 against Washington, 12/11/85 against Chicago and 2/14/86 against Quebec. RGTraynor 06:03, 9 December 2005 (UTC) RGTraynor 06:03, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

The section

Hey guys, I started a new section called "NHL: A International League." What do you think of it? Chaldean 08:56, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

How about calling it "NHL: An International League." That way people don't make fun of your bad grammar.

Lore

I am also an avid football fan and I found the NFL Lore website to be interesting. An NHL version of this would be awesome.

Any suggestions? The Buffalo-Dallas "No-Goal" comes to mind :) ccwaters 04:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Great Idea! There are definitely tons that come to mind. Darryl Sittler's 10-point game, Rocket Richard being named all three stars in a game, Toronto's comeback from a 3-0 deficit in the 1942 Stanley Cup Finals, Montreal Canadiens and the Red Army's 3-3 tie in the 70's considered by many the greatest game ever played (I disagree), Steve Smith putting the puck in his own net to knock the Oilers out of the 86 playoffs, just tons that could be done. Croat Canuck 04:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Didn't Gretzky get all three stars in his last all star game? or am i am dreaming again? Masterhatch 04:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
You could be dreaming, i can't recall that happening, but I could be wrong. Richard's was important though cuz he absolutely destroyed my Leafs with 5 goals. Croat Canuck 05:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Gretzky got all three stars in his last game, yes. All-Star Game, I've no idea. RGTraynor 06:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Yeah but Richard's was for his actual achievement in the game, Gretzky's was more a lifetime tribute thing etc... so thus Richard's is a bit more memorable, as well as for a variety of other reasons. Croat Canuck 06:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
If I may quote Tony the Tiger "Greeeat!" Yes, the NHL Lore article is a brillant idea. Patrick Roy winking confidently at a LA Kings player during the 1993 Finals comes to mind. GoodDay 14:47, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Bobby Baun scoring the Cup winner on a broken leg, as well as the Bill Barilko goal / death saga come to mind from this Leaf fan's perspective. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hevato (talk • contribs) 09:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

Source of TV Timeout Info

I saw it in an article by John Buccigross, as part of his mailbag, a couple of months back, and sure enough, it's panned out whenever I make note of such things. Unfortunately, that article is now ESPN Insider only. Is there another source that might be able to verify that information? 70.72.76.224 10:23, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

New NHL Rink Diagram

I took the rink in the NHL rulebook, which has the new markings. Any complaints if I replace the diagram in this article? It'll be a new filename, so hockeyrink.png will still exist for other leagues that don't use the trapezoids. scsgoal31 19:29, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

IMO it would be easier to read if it were rotated 90o. The names of the benches and penalty boxes are hard to read. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Toll booth (talk • contribs) 14:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

Logos?

What happened to the logos in the "Current Organization" section? Were those removed for a reason, or is it just an error? Doogie2K 05:33, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

OTL

Is anyone else here pissed about the Overtime Loss rule? Why should a team be "awarded" a point for losing in overtime? This stupid rule recently cost the Vancouver Canucks a playoff spot because 8th placed Edmonton has won less games than the Canucks yet they get 8th place simply because they earned a lot of overtime losses. What's your opinion?

My opinion is that it's a discussion better suited for a bulletin board or a hockey blog, neither of which Wikipedia is. RGTraynor 20:45, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Headquarters

The article mentions that the League was founded in Montreal. Is this still the headquarters of the NHL? The article doesn't say. Fishhead64 05:16, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I believe it's in Toronto now. -- Jeff3000 13:29, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
NHL is headquartered in NYC. The NHLPA and Hall of Fame are in Toronto. --Skeezix1000 15:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
1251 Avenue of the Americas, 47th Floor New York, NY 10020 ccwaters 16:04, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Failed GA

This article only has one reference and it is in a dire need of a cleanup. JAbeach 03:26, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Spelling

Wikipedia policy on national varities of English is stated in WP:MoS#National_varieties_of_English. Importantly, they state "Articles should use the same dialect throughout." and "If an article is predominantly written in one type of English, aim to conform to that type rather than provoking conflict by changing to another." This page consistently uses Canadian English spelling. The NHL currently is both an American and Canadian sport, and it came out of Canada. Thus the statement "If an article's subject has a strong tie to a specific region/dialect, it should use that dialect." does not immediatly apply, both american and canadian spelling would be acceptable, but since the article has consistently used canadian spelling it should remain with that spelling. -- Jeff3000 18:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I totally agree. Masterhatch 02:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Operation Slapshot

Why is this not mentioned in the article? Given the detial to the NHL history, one might wonder why this isn't mentioned.--Hellogoodsir 17:57, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Because it has nothing to do with the NHL as a league or an organization, but instead certain individuals who play or coach in the NHL. -- Jeff3000 18:00, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes true, although Rick Tochet is an ex hockey player, and its Wayne Gretzky's wife involved is it not? Max.pwnage 04:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Rankings

Does anyone believe they should go back to the 1-16 rankings instead of two divisions of 1-8 for the playoffs? Would this make the playoffs more fun with larger upsets and make it really cup "crazy". Max.pwnage 04:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Possibly this might make an interesting discussion on a bulletin board or a blog, which Wikipedia isn't. Good luck with the discussion when you take it to a more appropriate site. RGTraynor 12:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Logos

Do you think there should be logos with each team under the Current Organization headline? I think it would look good, but I don't know if there are any specific rules regarding pictures on the website. Also, the regular season tie-braking procedures still need to be added. Unless someone beats me to it I will do it within a couple of days. Oh, and under the NHL: And international league headline there are some source numbers that look wrong. They are bigger than source numbers usually are. I would change it but I don't know how since I'm new to this system. Could someone do that please? - JesperLærke 19:41, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

The logos cannot be added legally because they are copyrighted and do not pass fair use criteria in this article. See Wikipedia:Fair use. The current numbers in the international league section have a verifiable source, if you can find a better/newer source please go an update them, and give the source on the page. Everything that is added has to be verifiable and have reliable sources. -- Jeff3000 19:46, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I didn't mean that the links were wrong, only that footnotes are usually written in raised numbers. It's simply a matter of wikifying the section's appearance. I don't know how to raise the numbers, that's all. JesperLærke 20:14, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
The raised format for the citation using a notes section is a different style of citation (See WP:FOOT). This page uses a different format of just inline citations. Both are acceptable in the Wikipedia Manual of Style. -- Jeff3000 20:53, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Making this article better

I'm going to be starting to make this article better over the next couple weeks to try to get it to featured article status. Of course this is not an instant process and requires not only making the article better, but also going to peer review, and so forth. So I just wanted to give notice to everyone, and hopefully engage others to also help make the article better.

What I think is required is the following:

  • Bring the article into summary style (shorten some sections, more to the point, details in subarticles, very few subheadings)
    • Choose to be discerning, delete some stuff, expand on others
  • Convert some of the lists to prose
  • Find references for the page, including having inline references
  • Add some other sections, maybe on viewership, attendence, etc, etc.

Suggestions are welcome. -- Jeff3000 15:26, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I've worked on the season structure, and teams sections. The following sections are still left to work on:
  • Trophies: Make daughter article, and summarize most important trophies here
  • Rules: Now that the daughter article has been made, shorten this section significantly to the most important rules. done
  • History: This will require a lot of work, needs to be shortened. Basically done, but needs references for statements. Will need to find McFarlane's History of hockey.
  • Labour section: Needs references
  • Probably need a people section for players, coaches, commissioners
Also any suggestions for sections that we should have are welcomed. -- Jeff3000 01:36, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Dominated by Canadians?

Do we really need the intro saying currently the nhl is still dominated by canadians with over 50% of the players being canadians? Do you think the NBA page would have "currently the nba is dominated by african-americans?"

-Duhon June 8 20006

You could, I daresay. In any event, I'm sure the basketball-oriented editors can tend to their own knitting. Here, the statement's accurate and it's not only a notable fact, but one mirrored in the Brittanica. RGTraynor 22:16, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
A parallel statement in the NBA would be "currently the nba is dominated by Americans?" Given the number of American teams, this is not out of the ordinary. When most teams are not in Canada and Canadians make up a sizeable number of players, it becomes relevant. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.92.22.51 (talk • contribs).

Featured

Hello everyone,

I want to apply for featured article status for this article. It's gone through peer review and I've addressed the concerns that were brought up. The article is referenced quite well, has prose, fair use images, and so I think it passes the featured article criteria. Does have any suggestions, before I go ahead? Thanks -- Jeff3000 03:34, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I think it looks pretty good right now. One thing i don't like is the God-awful colours used in the current organisation section. Less "bright" colours woudl do the job better, in my humble opinion. But that is being nitpicky. The article is actually really good (a hell of a lot better than when i first came to wikipedai over a year ago) Masterhatch 04:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
done, less bright colours used. -- Jeff3000 04:20, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
LOL thanks;) Masterhatch 04:34, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Citation spot check

As part of this project, I've performed a check on the accuracy of several citations in this article. Results were as follows:

  1. Footnote 2(a). "After a series of disputes in the Canadian National Hockey Association (NHA) between the owner of the Toronto Blueshirts and the owners of other teams, all the owners met at the Windsor Hotel in Montreal to talk about the NHA's future"
    • Problems:
      1. The book title is listed as Brian McFarlane's History of Hockey, but the ISBN leads to 100 years of hockey history. Publication date and location would seem to indicate that this is the desired book, although another book, Brian McFarlane's World of Hockey, has a name similar to that indicated. Clarification needed.
      2. No page numbers given for book. Impossible to check citations.
  2. Footnote 17. "Starting in the 2005–2006 season, after testing in the American Hockey League, a trapezoid area behind each goal net has been introduced. The goaltender can only play the puck within that area or in front of the goal line;"
    • Problem. From website: "(NEW for 2005-06) A restricted trapezoid shaped area behind the goal will be laid out as follows: Five feet (5') outside of each goal crease (six feet (6') from each goal post), a two inch (2") red line shall be painted extending from the goal line to a point on the end of the rink ten feet (10') from the goal crease (eleven feet (11') from the goal post) and continuing vertically up the kick plate. (Paint code PMS 186)."
      • No mention at this site of the limitation on where the goaltender can play the puck.
  3. Footnote 25 (a and b). "In the past, however, if a player was deemed significant enough, the pending period would be waived; only 10 individuals have been honoured in this manner. In 1999, Wayne Gretzky became the last player to have the three-year restriction waived..."
    • Checks out. From website: "On November 22, 1999 -- seven months after his retirement -- Gretzky was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto, Canada, becoming the tenth and final player in Hockey Hall of Fame history to have the mandatory three-year waiting period for enshrinement waived by the Hall’s board of directors."
  4. Footnote 11 (b, c, and d).
    • 11b: "The NHL received record attendance in the 2005–06 season. 20,854,169 fans, an average of 16,955 per game, was a 1.2% increase over the previous mark held in the 2001–02 season."
      • Checks out. From website: "According to the league, it set new records for total and average attendance - 20,854,169 fans overall and a per-game average of 16,955 - an increase of 2.4 per cent from the 2003-04 season and 1.2 per cent higher than the old records set during the 2001-02 season."
    • 11c: "Also, the Montreal Canadiens and Colorado Avalanche sold out all of their home games and all six Canadian teams played to 98% capacity or better at all home games."
      • Checks out. From website: "The Montreal Canadiens played before sellout crowds of 21,273 for each of their 41 home games... All six Canadian NHL teams - the Montreal Canadiens, Toronto Maple Leafs, Calgary Flames, Edmonton Oilers, Ottawa Senators and Vancouver Canucks - played to 98 per cent capacity or better during the season... Like Montreal, the Colorado Avalanche sold out each of their 41 home games..."
    • 11d: "Twenty-four of the thirty clubs finished even or ahead of their 2003–04 mark. The Pittsburgh Penguins had the highest increase at 33%, probably because of Canadian phenom Sidney Crosby."
      • Checks out. From website:Twenty-four of the NHL teams finished even or ahead of their 2003-04 attendance numbers. The biggest jump in attendance was in Pittsburgh (33 per cent), no doubt thanks to the arrival of No. 1 draft pick Sidney Crosby."

Several problems need to be fixed here. --RobthTalk 04:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

As far as the NHA cite goes, you can just as readily use Charles Coleman's Trail of the Stanley Cup, Vol I, pp 328-330, Kendall/Hunt Publishing Company, ISBN 0-8403-2941-5. RGTraynor 17:56, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
For the citation check for Brian McFarlane's book, the ISBN check works for me. See [1]. I no longer have the book to check the page numbers, however. As for the second comment, the citations have no been fixed. -- Jeff3000 20:38, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Using Amazon's electronic book sight, I have added page numbers to all of the references from McFarlane's book. -- Jeff3000 22:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Popularity

I'm looking for some books/websites/etc that refer to the NHL's popularity, historically and how it has evolved. Things like where it is popular, Canada, US, Europe, and how it compares to the other professional leagues in North America. If you have any suggestions, please post them here. It's one of the suggestions in the FAC. Thanks. -- Jeff3000 01:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I would also like to see this as well. --Dr. Pizza 03:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

From the FAC

Since the FAC is now closed, I'll respond here. From FAC:

  • Object The rules of a sport need not be regurgitated in an article about a competition, unless the rules are specific to that competition. In this case, things like the difference in size between NHL and international rinks are useful distinctions, but things like the objective of the game and icing are common to any ice hockey competition. Oldelpaso 11:54, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment If we look at the different sections that talk about rules/hockey per paragraph:
      • Rules section:
        • 1st paragraph: Just an introductory paragraph saying rules mostly follow IIHF rules except for some, this paragraph is needed.
        • 2nd paragraph: Offside, mostly talks about NHL rule changes which were are specific to how the NHL has/is operated.
        • 3rd paragraph: Icing, while the first few sentence explain Icing, the last sentence gives details as how the NHL rule about no substitions after an Icing which is NHL specific. Also the NHL icing rule is different than the IIHF icing since it is a touch icing. Thus most of the paragrpah is needed to either explain the differences and as background to those differences. Explaining the icing differences without explaining icing would be confusing to the general reader.
        • 4th paragraph: This paragraph could be shortened, but is still needed in the summary style. Specifically major fighting penalties do not exist in the IIHF.
      • Rink section
        • 1st paragraph: Details the difference in the hockey rink compared to the IIHF rink size
        • 2nd paragraph: Outlines the trapezoid area which does not exist in the IIHF.
      • Game section
        • 1st and 2nd paragraph: These paragraphs could be further shortened, but are needed in the summary style. Explanation of what the NHL plays is crucial to the NHL.
        • 3rd and 4th paragraphs: Decribes specific NHL rules regarding win/losses, and most specifically how ties are handled.
So in general, I believe most of the content is warrented as it is NHL specific. I will try shortening the first two paragraphs of the of the Game section and the 4th paragraph of the Rules section. -- Jeff3000 20:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: Ok I've shortened the Game section, and tried to make the Rules section more specific to the NHL, and differences between it, and the IIHF. -- Jeff3000 21:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

The Rules section looks better now, though I still see a couple of unnecessary bits. I still think the Game section is redundant, the NHL is a subset of ice hockey, not the other way round, so a summary style section is not needed. Otherwise every article about a sports competition would need to explain the rules of the sport. The NHL specific bits would fit well in the Season structure section. Oldelpaso 13:40, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I've made a couple of changes to the icing paragraph to show what I mean. Oldelpaso 13:49, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
The rules section is bettered by your changes. Thanks. But I respectfully disagree that the Game section needs to go. I think any description of the NHL needs a short description of the main part of the NHL, which is that they play the game of ice hockey; and as I explained above, I've already shortened the section, and the rest of the section is NHL specifics. -- Jeff3000 14:19, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Total annual broadcasting income?

Is it possible to provide a figure for the NHL's total annual broadcasting income please? At the moment the article only gives a number for what appears to be one of three main deals. Merchbow 06:34, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Teams that sold out all games

It says in the article (under the labour issues header) that "Also, the Montreal Canadiens and Colorado Avalanche sold out all of their home games". While this may be true, I happen to know that the Vancouver Canucks also sold out all their home games [2]. I would also assume (but correct me here if I'm wrong) that the Toronto Maple Leafs accomplished the same feat. If no one objects, I'm going to change that sentence. --Random89 01:03, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead and add the info, but please reference both additions. -- Jeff3000 01:06, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I couldn't find a reference for the Leafs, but I added the Canucks. I'm new here and I can't get the reference to work properly (if you read it, you'll see what I mean). If anyone has a minute, could they try and fix that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Random89 (talk • contribs) .
I've already fixed it. You need to use <ref> tags with the {{cite web}} template. -- Jeff3000 01:17, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Officially, ten teams finished at 100% capacity or better last year: Montreal, Detroit, Tampa Bay, Detroit, Philadelphia, Ottawa, Toronto, Calgary, Vancouver, Minnesota and Colorado. [3] While I can't verify that all of these teams actually sold out every game, perhaps that statement is better worded using capacity and listing the teams that played to 100% or better? Resolute 04:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
100% or better? How can it be better than 100%? Either you sell out all your games or you don't. But if you have a source that figure, then list all those teams as sell-outs. But personally I think saying 100% or better is just confusing. Random89 20:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
It takes some counting, but if you look at ESPN's schedule for the Minnesota Wild for example, you see that there are a few games which go over capacity numbers, while all other games sell out. So for all intents and purposes, the Wild drew in beyond 100% of capacity. There is, after all, such things as standing room only tickets.-Resident Lune 20:09, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Coaches and GM

The coaches and GMs have been added to the table in this page. I don't think these should be in this page, as it is too specific, and adds cluter to the page. What is the opinion of the other editors? Jeff3000 04:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I tend to agree. The Coach and GM should be listed on the team pages, not the league page. Resolute 04:43, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

French Name

Why is it significant to include its French name? RealFerrari 06:34, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Because the NHL as an organization is officially known by two names, the NHL, and the LNH. They are both official designations. -- Jeff3000 06:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I didn't know that. Perhaps it should be clarified in the article? Anyway thanks for answering. RealFerrari 06:45, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Consider how popular the sport is in Quebec, that for decades the Les Habitants ruled the NHL, and that the NHL is technically bilingual, have both names makes sense.OrangeMarlin 19:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
It's worth mentioning as well that the word "National" (in either language) refers to Canada. 66.183.217.31 18:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

On the records

I see a stats leaders by nationality page; what about just stats? Like first 50 in 50, top scorers, top assists, most penalty minutes/season, so forth? For instance, I've heard Mike Bossy had 9 50 goal seasons straight; was it a record? Trekphiler™Flag of Canada 05:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Economics of NHL

I added a small paragraph in the introductory section about NHL fans (being the richest, smartest and I believe best looking of any sport fans). My comment is somewhat US-oriented, because only in the USA are the MLB, NHL, NBA and NFL the big sports. Maybe a section should be added to build on it to discuss the economics of the NHL. OrangeMarlin 19:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

A section on Economics would be very interesting, and needed. I moved your comment to another section, as the lead was getting way too long. Regards, -- Jeff3000 21:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

NHL team captains

On all 30 team pages, I've re-listed the captains (listing them by season, instead of by players). Leave you opinon of these edits at Talk: Buffalo Sabres#Team captains (consensus). PS: posted this here, didn't know how else to possibly reach most NHL Wikipedians. GoodDay 20:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Canadian players in NHL

Saying the Canadian majority among players in the NHL is "due to its origins in Canada" is very strange. It's not because of something that happened in 1917, it's just that in 2006 there are more hockey players (or more good hockey players) in Canada than in the US. Right? Better change (or remove) that. Piet | Talk 11:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Mm, got a point there. Feel free to make the change. RGTraynor 15:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Season structure

So uh... hockey season generally runs from October through April, right? Because that's all I needed to know, but it wasn't here. I had to dig through like four related articles just to find that one damn tidbit...

Duely noted, and added to the article. Next time please sign your posts please. bmitchelf•T 19:59, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Realignment for 2007-8

[4] [5] Nothing set in stone yet, it seems, but I think something worth keeping track of. megarockman 15:19, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps, but this article should be for what is, not what might be. Certantly an entire section detailing a trial balloon being floated by the NHL is way overboard. If anything, I think a brief statement about possible changes should be included on 2006-07 NHL season. Resolute 17:31, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
How about we wait for the league to make any changes before we worry about mentioning it? We're not investigative journalists here, and we win no prizes for scoops. There is absolutely no harm in following the mandate of an encyclopedia and report fact, not suppositions. RGTraynor 07:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Old NHL logo

i changed the wording to read use prior to 2005. The "evidence" for it being used from 1917 to 2005 IMO is shakey it consist of two sportlogo websites which provide not proof that the logo was used all the way back to 1917. It seems hard to believe a sport league would create a logo and used from WWI all the way to 2005 which out some changes. So I think wording it used proir to 2005 is a better fit. If someone has proof (ie actual photos, books from the period 1910s )then by all means change it back Smith03 19:50, 7 February 2007 (UTC)