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[edit] Some stats

Hello. Can someone answer the following two questions? I have searched the internet and wikipedia and have come up empty.

1- Who was the last player to score 5 goals in a game?

2- Who was the last player to score 100 assists in a season?

Thank you--154.20.78.130 (talk) 01:49, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Gretzky was the last person to record 100 assists in a season in 1990-91 NHL season but Thorton came close with 96 recently. As for 5 goals a game that would be alot harder to find. --Djsasso (talk) 02:04, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

With some difficulty, I have the potential answer for the 5 goals in one game question. Of the four players listed in the 2008 Record Book as having scored 5 goals in a game (Peter Bondra, Sergei Fedorov, Mike Ricci, Mats Sundin), all of whom did so just once, this is the dates of their achievement:

Bondra, Feb. 5, 1994

Fedorov, Dec. 26, 1996

Ricci, Feb. 17, 1994

Sundin, Mar. 5, 1992

No one else scored later than Fedorov, so the NHL has gone almost 11 years without someone getting a 5 goal game. Kaiser matias (talk) 04:06, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

And of course that is only players who are still playing as of 2008. Anyone who retired prior to this year could have scored 5 goals in a game between 96 and now. --Djsasso (talk) 04:27, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I did some looking up for that as well, with mild success. I went as far back as players from 2004, and no one reached that level. Of course that still leaves 8 years and several players unaccounted for. Kaiser matias (talk) 04:51, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much to both of you. I kept googling but could not come up with it. Thanks so much! Appreciated.--154.20.78.130 (talk) 18:00, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Marion Gaborik scored 5 goals on December 20, 2007. http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/articles/2007/12/21/gaboriks_5_goal_outburst_lifts_wild/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.246.46 (talk) 00:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notable Players

Hey...great article! I am enjoying the clear, thorough layout and format of the information as we speak (and I type).

In the 'Notable players' section, do you think it would be nice if the players could be labelled by team, similar to how mentions of congressmen are labelled by their party and state? I think it would shed some light on the respective strengths of the teams as a reflection of their players. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 13:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't quite get what you mean, could you give an example? --Krm500 (talk) 14:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

How about like Joseph Mason (Calgary) scored the most points in the season and Kurt Weisner (Anaheim) had the most assists. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 01:35, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I like the idea. It makes the text busier; the interested reader can always click on the player's wikilink for more info. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 02:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: History

As I understand things, the NHL had a four-division lineup at one time, as the Wales and Campbell Conferences. Smythe Division was one of the four divisions; it included primarily teams in the Pacific Northwest. What were the other three Divisions named prior to the reorganization of the 1990's, which resulted in the six extant Divisions? - B. C. Schmerker (talk) 17:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Well the names changed a few times but I believe if you go to the articles for the individual conferences that it explains the history of each of the divisions. But basically they were Norris Division, Smythe Division, Patrick Division, Adams Division. Then they changed Atlantic Division, Northeast Division, Central Division, Pacific Division. After that they changed to the current format. But prior to this there were other divisions as well. -Djsasso (talk) 17:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Championship Templates

Hello. The other league all have championship templates to show who was on championship rosters. I think the NHL should also add them.

Agree? Disagree?

Portlygrub (talk) 23:25, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean a template such as "Roster of 2007 Stanley Cup Winning Anaheim Ducks", etc.? Jmlk17 23:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes. It would be like one of these:

Portlygrub (talk) 06:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't see why not... Jmlk17 06:32, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I can see why not. Championship roster templates have been routinely deleted as non-defining, and a risk for ridiculously high overhead (imagine Richard's article with a ton of similar templates) Such templates wouldn't survive much longer than the previous ones have. Resolute 15:56, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Take a look at Bill Russell to see how big a mess these templates can make of an article. That is an absolute joke... Resolute 16:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes the hockey project as a whole decided against them and had most of them deleted a few times now. As Resolute has mentioned players who have had a number of cups would start to have rediculously messy pages because of them. When these get created they get deleted rather fast. -Djsasso (talk) 16:16, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

That's what I had thought originally. :) Jmlk17 21:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Season Ticket Prices?

I removed the part under "Popularity" that said that the NHL had the highest season ticket prices out of the US big four. The reference that it gave didn't say anything about it, and I did a little bit of my own research (read: googled some stuff) and I don't see any evidence of this being true. If I'm wrong, give me proof and I'll be happy to put it back. Tracer Bullet (talk) 20:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree I deleted out that part as well as the NHL fans being more "affluent" than any other sports fans, this seems biased and not fact based. (Rongotti (talk) 21:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC))

And that is your POV. A study was done on this as quoted in the reference which is from a reliable source. -Djsasso (talk) 21:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Norris House League"

It really isn't made up, either. The Norrises, at one point, controlled both the Black Hawks and the Red Wings, as well as owning significant shares of Madison Square Garden and Boston Garden.  RGTraynor  05:09, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

That's something worth exploring in further depth, and doesn't necessarily mean it's a negative, either. It was their league, they could run it as they chose. My objection was to some user deleting it without explanation, presumably on the grounds that it was a slam, but it's hard to tell, since he didn't say why he deleted it. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 05:22, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

We see people put ^{[citation needed]} using {{Fact}} in all the time, that would have been more appropriate if there was a concern it was "made up"... am I right?

Yes. But the guy didn't give a reason for deleting it, so it's anybody's guess. If he does it again without comment, then I'll ask him. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 11:37, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

First of all it's not notable in this article. If you want, put it in the History of the NHL article. Secondly, they way it was written was not encyclopedic; especially the "jokingly called" part. Instead just stating that much of the league was controlled by the Norris family would be much more appropriate. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 12:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

And how do you figure it "isn't notable?"  RGTraynor  13:01, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

As I recall, the "classic 6" teams were in a league that operated like a country club. They nearly got caught napping, but they headed off the second-major-league threat by expanding... which of course brought in a bunch of money to the old guard from the entrance fees. Also, they aligned the new teams in a separate division, which essentially made the Stanley Cup finals an exhibition series for the winners of the "classic 6" playoff rounds. Further evolution of the league evened out a lot of that stuff, of course, but there's some intrigue connected with their initial expansion. I noticed there were many references to "Norris House League" in Google, so it's not like this is unknown. Maybe the comment could be written better and/or with more detail, but it's an important part of the nature of the NHL as it existed during that time period. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 13:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree "media jokesters" is inappropriate. I think there was better text not that long ago. One sentence is not enough. When the Norrises ran the league, the Blackhawks, Bruins and Rangers were deliberately held back so that the Red Wings would do well. The Red Wings had a farm system, and on and on. It really goes back into the 30s, when Norris Sr. picked up assets on the cheap. Alaney2k (talk) 13:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

More intrigue. The Norris House League joke was just the tip of the ice-hockey-berg, as it were. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 14:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Luckily, this kind of thing never happens in baseball. Oh, except for the New York Yankees, who managed to get their hooks into clubs like the Red Sox and the Athletics, who at various times essentially served as major league level farm teams to the Yankees. These things don't happen just by pure chance. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 14:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

And your revisions are well-done. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 14:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. In fact, the Calgary Stampeders was the first farm team the Black Hawks had, and that wasn't until the 1950s. One of the books I have on that timeframe has people arguing that the Stamps were at least as good as the Hawks... that says something about how mismanaged Chicago had been at the time. Meanwhile, the Edmonton Flyers became the Red Wings affiliate at the same time, and was stocked with several future hall of famers. The after-effects of the Norris House League were felt for some time. Resolute 15:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NHL Teams with the most players from Saskatchewan

Can anyone tell me the top 5 NHL teams in players that were born in/ grew up in Saskatchewan? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.147.119.163 (talk) 23:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mandarin broadcasts

Over the last while, the note about the Islanders broadcasting games in Mandarin has been added and removed from the article several times. While I understand the rational for removing it, seeing how it is only for Islanders games, I would like to show that the CBC has been broadcasting games in Mandarin for the 2008 playoffs. It would be a good thing to point out, a way to show that the NHL is trying to reach the Chinese market, and the latter article proves that is not just involving the Islanders. Would like to see what others think of it. Kaiser matias (talk) 18:16, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Current Champion

It says that the Detroit Red Wings are the current champions when that is not necessarily true. The earliest that could happen is Monday, June 2. I have changed it back to the Mighty Ducks. --Striker1057 (talk) 15:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

That was just IP address vandalism. He's been warned. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 15:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Founded on November 22, 1917?

I've seen it referenced on more than one occasion in my lifetime that the National Hockey League was formed on November 22nd. I noticed that it showed the 26th on Wikipedia, so I corrected it. Unfortunately, although I have published material showing the correct date I am not really familiar with how to place a reference on here using HTML. So... if someone wants to put up a reference I can leave a comment here with the information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Archangel-22 (talk • contribs) 16:59, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

this page states that "While most historians cite November 22, 1917 as the birth date of the NHL, it wasn't until four days later, November 26, that five clubs officially joined the new circuit." So I guess that is where the November 26 date came from. Thus, the paragraph should be clarified further. Any other thoughts? Zzyzx11 (Talk) 17:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes. The 22nd is a bogus date; that was a meeting of the NHA, at which according to Coleman no official report was ever released on the discussions. The 26th was when the decision to form the new league was actually made, Calder was elected president and the franchises were awarded.  RGTraynor  22:57, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

That is my understanding as well. I believe the teams withdrew from the NHA on the 22nd, and created the NHL on the 26th. Inconvienently, I have two different books that quote either date as the NHL's founding date. I trust the 26th better, however, either way, History of the National Hockey League (1917–1942) will need to match what this article says. Resolute 01:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

It's a bit more muddled than that. The NHL teams never formally withdrew from the NHA, remaining shareholders to the amount of their respective stakes, and the NHA actually had two meetings a year later, one to suspend operations permanently and the other in December 1918 in an attempt by Eddie Livingstone to get the league's minority shareholders to restart.  RGTraynor  06:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)