Talk:National Day
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There must be a reason that this article is separate from Independence Day. They don't call the 4th of July "National Day" in the United States. If they don't call it such, then please don't list it. --Jiang 19:22, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- To further complicate matters, October 1 is called National Day and is a national holiday in Hong Kong. July 1 is called "Establishment Day". --Jiang 20:10, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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- There are differences between National Day, National holiday and Independence Day; The National Day is defined in the article. Perhaps this could be expanded to say that it is the day when the primary national celebrations take place. Many - maybe most - countries do not have a particular day called National Day. The term is a definition. As such, it is reasonable to say that the National Day of the USA is 4th July. This happens to be Independence Day. Some countries have a National Day that is not their Independence Day. The definition of Independence Day is self explanatory. National holiday is a looser term describing any day that is a holiday throughtout a country. Most countries have several National holidays in a year. One of these may be the National Day and also Independence Day (e.g. USA). In Britain the National Day is not a National holiday, nor is it Independence Day. --Arcturus
- How do you explain calling July 1st "National Day" in Hong Kong when the term would mean October 1 in all other contexts? This is just confusing... If this is a mere definition, then "day" should not be capitalized. --Jiang 18:34, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Some of the listings at Independence Day are not really dates of independence. This article can and should explain the specific occaision as is done at Independence Day. --Jiang 18:36, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Quote from the CIA World Factbook on Hong Kong:
National Day (Anniversary of the Founding of the People's Republic of China), 1 October (1949); note - 1 July 1997 is celebrated as Hong Kong Special Administrative Region Establishment Day
So the article should be updated with 1st Oct for Hong Kong (I'll do it). I think the date attributed to HK at the moment is the old National Day. It would improve the article if further information about the nature of each of the National Days was given. Any volunteers? (I might make a start) Arcturus 18:56, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] Fomatting the list
I personally think the list of dates would be a bit more viewable if it were, in some sense, tabulated. I tried, but I'm no Wiki formatting fundi, so I couldn't get it right. Warrickball 11:09, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] United Kingdom: 2nd Saturday in June
What's that about then? It's not something that immediately leaps to mind. -- Francs2000 | Talk [[]] 15:15, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- 2nd Saturday in June is Trooping the Colour day, also known as the UK National Day, at least by some establishments. As with the other national days in the UK it's fairly low key within that context. It is, however, the closest we've got for the UK as a whole. Perhaps a note to clarify this in the article? I'll do it if agreed.Arcturus 17:38, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It has never been known as 'National Day' to my knowledge, and no ACT of Parliament accords it such status. That the date is 'the second Staurady in June' confirms this.
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- Yes please, I hadn't associated Trooping the Colour as a National Day, so other readers are probably also going to be confused. -- Francs2000 | Talk [[]] 18:49, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The usual reason given for a National Day is idependence, liberation, revolution or constitution. As the UK has never considered itself to have become independent of any other state, to have been liberated, does not have a constitution, and the revolutions it has had (Civil War and 1688) were quickly treated as though they had never taken place, there has been no need for a National Day. This is of course what makes the CIA fact book on this point specious nonsense.
- Given that this day is not, in fact, celebrated nationally in the UK (and indeed I've managed to live in the UK all my life without even knowing that such a thing allegedly exists), how can it be described as a national day at all? It makes no sense to give a date in the article which is completely unknown to the majority of the population of the country that supposedly celebrates it. It would be better to explain that some countries, like the UK, simply don't have anything that remotely resembles a "national day" at all. — Haeleth Talk 15:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
The second Saturday in June is the Queen's official birthday. Trooping the Colour is part of this celebration. It has nothing to do with anything resembling a UK national day.Drc79 13:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Birthday of Thai king
The birthday of Thai(land)'s current king is listed as a National Day, however the article defines national day as the date of nationhood or independence, which seems to indicate that the king's birthday is not a national day. —Tokek 00:29, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Rosie
Shouldn't that be explained, why Rosie is the ruler.....? otherwise it might be quite confusing... who is rosie, etc...?
[edit] Merge suggestion
- Oppose National Holiday and National Day are actually two separate phenomena. Most countries have several national holidays in a year, but usually only one National Day. Keep the articles separate for clarification. Arcturus 20:09, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Support. If you actually read National holiday, you'll find that what it describes is in fact the same as a national day. We should therefore merge any useful information from that article here, and set National holiday up as a disambiguation page linking both here and to Public holiday, which is the sense of the word you appear to be thinking of. — Haeleth Talk 15:30, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Agree with Haeleth. --Neo-Jay 13:18, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Ditto above. The difference is hair-splitting. --Mashford 12:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] List of days in merge
The list of celebrated days in National holiday is logically organized by month. I think this is a more effective and accessible way of presenting this as a straight list, so I intend to preserve it in the forthcoming merge. With thi sin mind, I will be removing the present arrangement. Let me know if there are any concerns/objections. --Mashford 12:58, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- I think, having read the above comments, I can now go with the merge. However, I'm not sure about listing by date. Why might people come to this page? Often it will be to find out when a particular country has its National Day/Holiday. Less frequently would someone want to know which countries have a National Day on a particular date. This latter information is readily available elsewhere, such as the On This Day listings. The former view is not that easily available. I would suggest maintaining the list by country - or perhaps there's some way we can accommodate both? Arcturus 15:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Duplication
Some countries, such as Yemen/Republic of Yemen are listed twice. --24.14.148.180 19:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Lebanon
The CIA Factbook and Lebanon page in Wiki list November 22nd as the Lebanese Independence Day, so I don't quite know where 24th November came from? I'm editing it. Macavity7 00:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] These sections should be kept seperate
My own opinion is that these secttions should be kept as they are because not totally realted. A national holiday is the date on which a whole country celebtrates and can last for 1 to 7 days. A national Day is the day on which the event takes place and only last one day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.113.173 (talk) 19:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Capitalization
"National day" is a descriptive term, not a proper name. It should be lowercased in the article title and throughout the body, unless someone can come up with a good reason not to.
--207.176.159.90 03:33, 2 November 2007 (UTC)