Talk:National Association for the Advancement of White People

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[edit] NAAWP.ORG

Whatever happened to the main NAAWP website that was located at NAAWP.ORG ? The main website for that organization, which was fairly extensive a few years ago, is now gone; is the main orgainization gone? I first learned of this organization after the Cincinati, Ohio riots and just observed as someone interested in society and social learning (not prejudice or racism motivated- I also had the NAACP website in my favorites at the same time). There still is an active, but far less extensive than the original, website for the Florida chapter: http://naawpflch.org/noframes/index.html but I am wondering if the main organization has disappeared and if so what is/was the cause (law, funding, shift in racial harmony (LOL), incorporation with another group, what?). I'm curious to know as someone who works and has had studies in Sociology. I don't intend to join either the NAAWP nor NAACP as they are both, in my humble oppinion, contradictory to what America should be- the great melting pot.

[edit] Er

Er wasn't this founded by David Duke the erstwhile Ku Klux Klan leader? If so I find this article somewhat disingenuous. Sjc 10:46, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  • A bit late on the response, but you're right. The introduction and "origins" section seem to contradict each other--for reference, though, I've found article regarding Bowles and [1] [2] of [3] involvement. My best guess would be that there were two organizations by that name, but I can't find out how or why the changeover happened. jonny-mt 17:12, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Is there a template which says "This organization appears to contradict itself?"--75.25.5.1 06:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

The organization is based on an ideology focusing on on race rather than nationality. Based on that it seems a bit odd to just describe them as being mere nationalists.
Peter Isotalo 10:07, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Is that the only reason it's "contradictory?" If so, I think it needs some serious rewording.

[edit] Ronald Edmiston LTEs

The long-defunct NAAWP of Hawaiʻi chapter has fallen into obscurity, making it difficult to document. However, at this time at least two of Edmiston's letters to the editor are still on the Web. I am documenting them here, in case they disappear in the future.

From the Honolulu Star-Bulletin, February 18, 1999:

Hate-crime laws should apply to all
The hate-crime laws introduced by the state Senate Judiciary Committee are biased against Christians, conservatives and anyone with moral values, which is typical of Hawaii's liberal politicians.
The laws proposed are mainly directed toward helping homosexuals. White victims of hate crimes like Jay Waller, Daniel Nadler and Dana Ireland will not be included in this liberal interpretation of reality.
Let the hate-crimes laws apply to all races and tourists. Otherwise, they will be meaningless and racist.

Ronald Edmiston
Hawaii Director
National Association for the Advancement of White People

From the Honolulu Star-Bulletin, November 8, 2000:

Sovereignty may scare off tourists
As a member of the vast right-wing conspiracy, I find myself supporting Hawaiian sovereignty. But there may be a serious drawback. Many people on the mainland may feel angry about paying out billions of dollars to support Hawaiian programs, thus resulting in lost tourism dollars. This could represent perhaps billions more than would be paid to the Hawaiian people.

Ronald Edmiston

These letters are now cited in the article via links. -- IslandGyrl 15:54, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Different founding history or earlier use of name?

This source, Complicated Matters: The Complex Opposition to Brown v. Board of Education (PDF file) by Martin M. Zacharia, Northwestern University, says on pp. 7-8:

Although most localities in the border states complied with desegregation, Milford, Delaware, proved to be an outstanding exception. Bryant Bowles, founder of the NAAWP (National Association for the Advancement of White People), fueled whites’ irrational fears of token desegregation. After calling parents and students to boycott Milford High School for its desegregation plans, only one third of the students came to school that Monday. The turnout may have made the boycott “successful,” but it did not reflect the gamut of attitudes white parents had. While some parents genuinely supported the boycott, others boycotted in fear of the potential violence that could occur at Milford. Bowles had in fact threatened local businesses in favor of integration and had supporters burn crosses. As his influence spread, litigation against segregation continued. But the first black students were not admitted to Milford until 1962. Such strong opposition to integration, largely influenced by demagogues like Bowles who exploited racial fears, proved to be rare in border states, but nonetheless present.

which would seem to indicate a much earlier use of the NAAWP name unrelated to David Duke. -- IslandGyrl 16:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

"National Association for the Advancement of White People" seems like a fairly obvious parody name of the NAACP, and it's not unlikely that the idea could have occurred to different people at different times. In addition in Brrian Bowles in Milford, Delaware in 1954, a New York Times search turns up a group founded in 1963 by one William F. Miller of Cincinnati, Ohio, that apparently also established ephemeral chapters in several other Midwest cities.--Pharos 22:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lacking in sources

Where was the information for this article obtained? The date it was founded? Duke being the founder? Where it's headquartered? Their views? Did all this information come from their website (which I've never seen, since the link previously used in this article is dead)?

And if the website did claim that NAAWP stands for "the National Association for the Advancement of Working People", why isn't that the title of the article? i.e.

The National Association for the Advancement of Working People, originally called, and perhaps more widely known as the National Association for the Advancement of White People

...and so forth.

Also, the section of the David Duke article which mentions the NAAWP (David_Duke#NAAWP_v._NAACP) references an article[4] which currently redirects to the main page of the site. However, I found this[5], which makes reference to the same article.

The problem is, the Wikipedia article states that Duke was planning "his International NAAWP Conference", while the article refers to "the International European American Unity and Leadership Conference". Perhaps this is related to Duke's European-American_Unity_and_Rights_Organization? Perhaps the NAAWP and this other organization are the same thing? -68.114.155.3 13:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Category?

I think you mentioned this a little bit in the article, but why is it that this is categorized as "white supremacy", but no one would ever think of categorizing the NAACP as black supremacy? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.217.18.178 (talk) 02:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

My guess would be that it is because one shoe fits and the other doesn't. If David Duke wakes up tomorrow morning and decides to create an organization with a name similar to the PTA, should wikipedia recatigorize the PTA, also? --Ramsey2006 16:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
The anti-white crap is gone, so young whiteys don't worry...Clohnyn 16:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)