Talk:Nathaniel Bacon (diplomat)
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Nathaniel Bacon (diplomat) was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. Reviewed version: July 20, 2007 |
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[edit] Substantial rewrite
Just a quick note, I've rewritten a large portion of this article, today. Hopefully it's much better sourced, now, among other things. – Luna Santin (talk) 23:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] GA fail
This article needs more information, some restructuring and a bit more historical context.
- Because the editors are using encyclopedias and what appear to be textbooks as their main sources, this article's information on Bacon is very limited. While it may be difficult to find information on Bacon, it is not impossible. The editors need to dig in their heels and do serious research. (I would start with the references listed here. They will also have bibliographies that will hopefully lead you to better material.
- I would suggest that the "Identification" section be incorporated into the "Early life" section or put into a footnote. It is strange to have Bacon die and then start discussing his birthdate and existence.
- The lead needs to be expanded a bit more per WP:LEAD.
- The section on Bacon's Rebellion, while informing the reader to an extent of the historical background, needs to do still more. Berkeley, for example, is not introduced anywhere - he just appears.
Drop me a line on my talk page if you have any questions concerning this review. Awadewit | talk 09:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Birthdate
No one knows for certain when he was born. An earlier attribution of him as the Nathaniel Bacon born in 1646 or 1647 appears to be spurious, based on no firm foundation, although widely repeated in later literature including Encyclopaedia Britannica, and the new Dictionary of National Biography. The old Dictionary of National Biography lists only a supposed birthyear and credits his father as Thomas from a contemporary document, but no mother is listed.
The birthdate is not correct. It was based on a false pasting of him onto another Nathaniel Bacon of that birthdate. Any book or article which purports to give him a particular birthdate is based ultimately on this bad research which they merely repeat. I'm particularly grieved to see the new Dictionary of National Biography merely repeating this falsehood without doing the proper research to see that it's false.
In my ap us history book, (The American Pagent), it states that Bacon led 1,000 followers, not 500. Which is true? I was just wondering... I see that the information was taken from the book I have, I believe that I also have the 2002 version, so I'm not sure why they put 500 people.?
- Edit the page, cite your source with a page number, and you'll be fine. Wjhonson 06:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Yhis is an awfull document and is to hard to read for normal people?
No one knows for certain when he was born? I know EXACTLY when he was born. through vigourous research. Samanthaa G.
- Unfortunately, most sources erroneously give him a birthdate based on a baptismal record for a different Nathaniel Bacon. There is no proof the two Nathaniel's are the same person and there is reason to believe they are not.Wjhonson 05:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] unclear
I don't understand the phrase "Bacon's Rebellion was here upon by Nathaniel Bacon's disagreement with ..." I would edit it, but I can't even determine what the original author is even trying to say. I leave it to some other brave soul to try.
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[edit] Poor farmer
Is it really fair to call Nathaniel Bacon a poor farmer, considering his linneage? I remember hearing that he had over one thousand pounds to invest in a plantation he himself owned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.242.64.16 (talk) 21:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Picture of the wrong man
The engraving is From "An Historical Discourse" thus it shows the other Nathaniel Bacon of the 17th Century. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.216.101.202 (talk) 19:58, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Correct, this is an engraving of Sir Nathaniel Bacon. Nathaniel Bacon the rebel was not knighted.
I have moved this image to the correct article and removed it from Bacon's Rebellion as well.
TuckerResearch (talk) 21:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Diplomat?
Why is he called a diplomat? TuckerResearch (talk) 04:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
