Talk:NASCAR 09

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[edit] Drivers

Lets try to keep this better then the 08 article was pre-release. Only add a driver if you have a reference to prove that that driver will be in the game, like I did with Carl Edwards. Fisha695 (talk) 20:25, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm happy that my driver will be back in the game. For those of you who don't believe just listen to the podcast around the 5:23 mark and they will confirm that Edwards is in the game. CEfanDP99 (talk) 00:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Drivers Part 2

Cant we add drivers like Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, Tony Stewart, Earnhardt Jr., and Ryan Newman. Because i doubt they are going to have a game with out the obvious ones. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.208.247.160 (talk) 17:48, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Until they are confirmed by EA or in a Video or Screenshot of NASCAR 09 (none of which have been released yet) then NO they can not be listed because it would be speculation (no matter what kind of deals they may or may not have with EA, or no matter how popular they are) Fisha695 (talk) 00:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


Yeah I think drivers are a must for the game and this page and I want to know who is in it and I have came here all the time to look I think it is a stupid Idea this has been on Wiki for years.Tyb —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyb222 (talk • contribs) 03:36, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Just so you know the screenshots from NASCAR 09 have shown that drivers: Jeff Gordon, Carl Edwards, Elliot Sadler, Matt Kenseth, David Regan, Paul Menard, and Kurt Busch. Along with others that I cannot make out. Also the video from ESPN have shown Jimmie Johnson, Greg Biffle, Dario Franchitti, Kyle Busch, and Denny Hamlin.(Hms88amp) (talk) 16:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.232.161.216 (talk)

[edit] Drivers and track lists

Hey there, I've come here from WT:VG. Just to inform you, drivers and track lists do not belong on any Wikipedia article. I know that most NASCAR video game article contain them: that is wrong too. It's best to save yourself the effort and not write up any of these lists in the first place. Regards, User:Krator (t c) 09:15, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Well then if we can not place the list of content in the video game then there should not be any articles on any video games, as the driver and tracks included in the game is the content of the game, just like saying in the Grand theft Auto games what city they take place in and what your characters name is. Please show me to the Wiki-Rule that says that correct information on the subject of the article should not be included. If you can do that, then fine, just make sure you go through and delete ALL similar information on Characters that you can play and places where the game takes place from EVERY video game article. Until you can do that then I am putting them back in. Thanks Fisha695 (talk) 17:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia simply isn't the place for every detail on the game. Several things fall under game guide content. This includes (but isn't limited to): car lists and other related lists, cheat codes, instructions on how to play and so on. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not: not a directory, and not a manual, guidebook or textbook sections. RobJ1981 (talk) 18:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Then I expect you and your little group of people to go delete it from EVERY NASCAR game article as well as every other video game article. REAL PEOPLE AND PLACES ARE MORE ENCYCLOPEDIC THEN FAKE PLACES AND PEOPLE IN OTHER VIDEO GAMES. So why should the fake things in other game articles and get to stay but the real things be deleted? I'm sorry but I still fail to see the moronic reasoning behind this. I'll continue to use the example of the GTA games. People do not need to know that the fake Liberty City is based off of the real New York City, but yet I guarantee that will be left in the GTA4 article. Like I said I still fail to see the moronic reasoning behind this... but then again maybe this is why many people are moving towards they own wiki things and away from this site..... Fisha695 (talk) 18:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
If we provided a list of every car and street in GTA IV, that would be deleted too. Please see also WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. xenocidic (talk) 20:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... strange that I still see similar lists on every NASCAR and other video game pages as well. Fisha, I believe 'moronic' is becoming to mild of a word to describe these reasons. ~Jutras90 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.214.174 (talk) 17:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah to me listing the drivers/tracks is no differnt then having the cast/Main characters for an article that talks about a movie/tv show Fisha695 (talk) 20:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
They should let us have the list of drivers. It's stupid not to. But whatever, we aren't in control. Not anything we can really do.CEfanDP99 (talk) 18:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Let me say first off that I have been monitoring this page even though I have very little interest in NASCAR, let alone a game about it. My knowledge only extends to a few NASCAR racers but I have no clue about their sponsorships or what car company they drive.

The people who are trying to get drivers/tracks added seem to be going about this the wrong way. Calling other editor's reasons "moronic" or typing in CAPS is not going to get your point across. These points/policies are in the guidelines for a reason: so these pages do not become a huge fancruft page. Referencing GTAIV is pointless since GTAIV is not a driving game, more notable than a NASCAR video game, just because GTAIV has it does not mean that it is okay. If anything, the best comparison to this is GT4, which in terms of subject is similar. While the GT4 "list of cars" page was deleted, a "list of tracks" was allowed to exist, even having its own article, List of Gran Turismo courses. However, one could argue that GT4 is way more notable than NASCAR as a video game but I don't know that probably warrants further discussion that I don't really want to get into.

As a compromise, there could be a section about different/new changes/additions for tracks/drivers. For example if Jeff Gordon changes sponsorship and doesn't show up with said sponsor in this game due to the release time of the game, then that could be noted (with citations) or if a course decides to change its track or has made additional changes in-game, then those could be mentioned as well (with citations).

Also I would have to say there is no difference between a "real" person and a "fake" character in terms of notability or reason for inclusion into Wikipedia. Characters played by "real" actors are fictional, but I would note that some are a lot more important than a racecar driver and vice versa. Strongsauce (talk) 14:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I think drivers are a must for the game and this page and I want to know who is in it and I have came here all the time to look I think it is a stupid Idea this has been on Wiki for years.Tyb —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyb222 (talk • contribs) 03:41, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Protection requested and accepted. This should stop IP vandalism for the next week. Might have to do the same with the NASCAR 08 article as well. Roguegeek (talk) 23:03, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Sent in another request for protection, but for an extended period of time now. Roguegeek (talk) 17:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] No Makes in 09

This is just to clear up that 09 will not have manufacturers. EA's community manger announced that in EA's NASCAR Series forum. The link to the thread is: http://forums.ea.com/mboards/message.jspa?messageID=3381923#3381923 CEfanDP99 (talk) 17:57, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Driver List

Regardless of whether or not they are allowed, i don't think that any drivers should be added until an official announcement is made of the game is released due to the fact that just because drivers are often removed right before release. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bsebll552 (talk • contribs) 03:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd think a list can go up here on the talk page. Some drivers are obviously confirmed and since EA has some of the drivers posted on their "Meet the Drivers" page of the NASCAR 09 website those drivers are going to be in the game. CEfanDP99 (talk) 22:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I added the Sprint and Nationwide drivers to the page. Somebody edited the page, despite from where I found screenshots, Kyle Busch and Dario Franchitti were NOT listed, but somebody added them to the Cup drivers page. Also, Marcos Ambrose IS a cup driver in the game, with a screenshot for proof! Nuttreturns —Preceding comment was added at 05:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Couple of things here. Kyle is seen in numerous screen shots and videos, and so is Dario. Also can you people not read? A Drivers list IS NOT ALLOWED. Also Screen Shots and pre-release Videos and Videos ARE NOT definite proof a driver is or is not in the game, almost every game since the late 90s has had a screen shot or video come out pre-release that contained a driver that ends up not being in the final game. Fisha695 (talk) 16:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

So let me get this straight.....You gotta tell me in CAPS that No drivers are allowed on this page, but every NASCAR game released by EA Sports that is also listed on the wikipedia site can have them???? Why don't you explain that to me instead of disappointed game fans or trying to make them look stupid. It would be a thankful thing to do. And yes, explain it in DETAIL if the caps give you a hint at what I mean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuttreturns (talk • contribs) 22:14, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Note the comment above, 'drivers and track lists do not belong on any Wikipedia article. I know that most NASCAR video game article contain them: that is wrong too', WP:LIST, and so on. Lists of NASCAR drivers is simply non-notable - if you think they should be listed, why not list every player in every FIFA game? Fin©™ 22:23, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

OK Hot Shot, if that is wrong, then why are the drivers listed in those games still there? Please, explain that one to me. If it's not allowed, then you or somebody else should delete them.....and yes, that is what you are getting at when saying no drivers listed for 09. Go ahead and delete every driver listed dating back to NASCAR 2001. If not, then don't delete my posting of information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuttreturns (talk • contribs) 22:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

First off you must not know much about online etiquette, while a sentence or paragraph in ALL Capital letters is shouting, one or a few words in a row in Capital letters (with or without the bold) is to show emphasis. Now as far as the other articles, the drivers lists were taken out of them in accordance with the rules, however some body must have put them back in. As far as why they are not allowed in, read the sections above and it explains it in detail and gives you links to go to to read the rules which you agree to follow every time you edit anything on Wikipedia. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for driver lists, but they are not allowed and really not needed, especially since as I described above, pre-release screen shots and videos are not proof that a certain driver or team or sponsor or even track will be in the final release version of the video. Also like it says at the top of this edit page "remember to sign your posts by typing four tildes". Fisha695 (talk) 02:52, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I am going to delete the other driver lists at some stage, I'm just in finals at the moment ;) Fin©™ 05:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Achievements

Should they be on here? I don't think its really relevant to the article. Fisha695 (talk) 01:19, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

yeah they should arent those the goals of the game, the main point? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.84.234.6 (talk) 00:13, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

The achievements shouldn't be included, wikipedia is not a game guide. Fin©™ 00:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
In Response to the unsigned comment, No Achievements are not part of the game at all, they are a Microsoft Gimmick (I don't mean that in a bad way) that's purpose is to try and get people to buy a 360 and when they play they beat certain Microsoft set achievements and they get Gamer Points (or whatever Microsoft calls them). It's basically trying to trick the consumer into thinking that if you buy a 360 and the 360 version of the game that you get more gameplay out of the game, when really you don't., At least thats how I look at it. Fisha695 (talk) 00:44, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Opening presentation of racing will return?

In the features section someone wrote "The opening presentation of racing will return. (As seen in NASCAR Thunder 2004)" Can someone please clarify what this means? Thanks.--KaseyKahneFan 21:21, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not totally for sure what is meant by that. I don't know if they mean the pre-race ceremonies returning or if they mean something about after you start up the game and you get the little intro. CEfanDP99 (talk) 04:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)