Talk:Narrabundah College
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[edit] Unsourced statements
There's a couple of unsourced statements about how good the school is academically. I've seen some government information about school rankings in the ACT, and I've been told by various people who work there about the uni figures etc, so it's essentially WP:OR at this point. I apologise for that, and I'll try to find some actual sources for those claims soon, or I'll remove them. Davidovic 12:43, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Dubious cites
- Sources that are from the college's own web site do not meet wikipedia policy on neutral point of view. It needs to be an outside view that the college is the bestThe cite provided supports that the Narrabundah College School Board claims "Narrabundah College is demonstrably the most successful government college in the ACT, and arguably the most successful school in the territory – present and past results confirm this. Demand for places in 2007 by well over 600 applicants illustrates the high regard in which Narrabundah is held across the whole Canberra community."--Matilda talk 04:23, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
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- I disagree, the reference is hardly dubious, it's a report from the school to the ACT government. However, I agree that the wording could use adjustment. "Widely considered" isn't that factual, so I'll replace it with a more factual statement. :) Davidovic 11:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
- The claim "widely considered" was not supported by the cite hence the dubious tag - moreover the cite was self-interested - The school board is hardly a disinterested body! I still feel the language does not meet Wikipedia's stance of WP:NPOV - there are a lot of factors that come into play as to why Narrabundah has better results than other government run colleges in the ACT and moreover it does significantly worse than some of the other schools - for similar reasons - ie the socio-economic make up of its catchment area and then of course for those students from outside the catchment area they are encouraged to attend by the success of the students ....The term "best performing" begs the question as what is the college actually best at - I realise that it is answered by UAI scores but many people would not consider that necessarily a measure of educational performance but rather the capability of the student population. Whether the students have maximised their scores or other educational outcomes given their capability is another question and one for which the school is more accountable. I would like to see the paragraph removed and the facts about the scores remain. The facts about the scores do mention the best of government-college results but doesn't gloat on the subject. --Matilda talk 19:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
- The school board report refers to BSSS statistics, which is why I believe that it's an acceptable source, however, it's much easier to just cite the actual BSSS statistics, so that's what I've done ^^ Now, on the topic of the term "best performance", it's true that that could be referring to several things, but I believe that the term is still acceptable. In order to obtain a UAI, a student must take "T" courses, which are assessed and taught at a higher level than those courses that must be taken to obtain a Year 12 certificate. In addition, since every student seeking a UAI must sit the AST (which is then used to scale their marks against students form other colleges) the higher median UAI and higher the percentage of UAIs awarded shows that the students performed better in their classes compared to other government run colleges. The student performance usually correlates to the quality of education, but the term "best performance" does not say anything about the quality of education at the college, it simply states that, compared to the other government colleges in the ACT, Narrabundah students produced the best results. Davidovic 05:56, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
- The claim "widely considered" was not supported by the cite hence the dubious tag - moreover the cite was self-interested - The school board is hardly a disinterested body! I still feel the language does not meet Wikipedia's stance of WP:NPOV - there are a lot of factors that come into play as to why Narrabundah has better results than other government run colleges in the ACT and moreover it does significantly worse than some of the other schools - for similar reasons - ie the socio-economic make up of its catchment area and then of course for those students from outside the catchment area they are encouraged to attend by the success of the students ....The term "best performing" begs the question as what is the college actually best at - I realise that it is answered by UAI scores but many people would not consider that necessarily a measure of educational performance but rather the capability of the student population. Whether the students have maximised their scores or other educational outcomes given their capability is another question and one for which the school is more accountable. I would like to see the paragraph removed and the facts about the scores remain. The facts about the scores do mention the best of government-college results but doesn't gloat on the subject. --Matilda talk 19:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
- I disagree, the reference is hardly dubious, it's a report from the school to the ACT government. However, I agree that the wording could use adjustment. "Widely considered" isn't that factual, so I'll replace it with a more factual statement. :) Davidovic 11:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
