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[edit] Population

According to the Wikipeida Napervill is larger than Joliet, that should be changed. The page is protected so I can't do that. The reference that is listed links to an article that comes up as "no longer list" so that is not a valid reference and needs to be removed.

4.143.236.247 (talk) 02:06, 5 May 2008 (UTC)eric

I agree with the fact that the official census from 2000 should be listed on the page, with the estimated 2006 listed as a side note. These are not official at all, since the official ones are taken every 10 years. Just to give you an example. If you look up a place such as Monroe Center, Illinois on the US census page, it gives an estimated population that goes up 1 every year. So does that mean the village only has one person come into it in a year? I highly doubt it. It is just the average trend.--Kranar drogin (talk) 03:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree that both numbers should be included and any estimates noted as such. I would keep an eye out for any special census conducted by the municipality since 2000, these are usually highly accurate and frequently performed (as population affects a variety of different things including funding at the state level). IvoShandor (talk) 22:47, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I am going to ask for more opinions on this.--Kranar drogin (talk) 22:47, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, so if they have a "special census" that is official, this would supercede the 2000 one then. But if it is simply a "census estimate", it would just be mentioned as an asside since they have actually done an estimate for both 2007 and prolly 2008 by now.--Kranar drogin (talk) 22:50, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Another possibility is to include a census box with populations every ten years for as far back as is available and then a recent estimate or local census figure. That way the trends in population are more clear. See for example Sullivan County, Pennsylvania. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 00:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Estimates by the US Census Bureau are quite acceptable, as long as (1) they're sourced, and (2) they're explicitly presented as estimates. I don't think it really matters whether the 2000 figure is mentioned in the intro, although it can help to get a short-term idea of growth or shrinkage. The Guidelines don't like any census data except that produced by the Census Bureau; exceptions exist (I don't remember what state, but there was a place where it's been revised downward because it was discovered that the Bureau attributed a part of one municipality to another), but I don't think that local special censuses are a good enough exception. Finally: 2008 estimates can't be produced, since the estimates are given as of July 1. Nyttend (talk) 01:22, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Given that Census 2000 numbers are the last uniform official population numbers, I like to see them used in the infobox of a article. For the lead, I think it'd be appropriate to state both the 2000 population and the most recent Census estimate (2007). The Demographics section should then list the 2000 population and the recent estimate in the prose and have the Template:USCensusPop table showing the 10-year census figures as far back as possible. VerruckteDan (talk) 22:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I like that idea the best Dan, espeically the 10-year listing. That is usually what I try and go with, since the 10 year gaps are the most official, and should be listed as such. Estimates should also be listed, but only as mentions in the article, especially if the city is seeing growth. Maybe the geoboxes could have estimate figures after the official ones also as an idea.--Kranar drogin (talk) 22:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I find it laughable that the "Guidelines" don't accept special censuses. Good enough for local and state government to dole out taxpayer money with but not good enough for Wikipedia. This makes little, if any sense.98.206.18.43 (talk) 15:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for the lateness of this response. I would agree with Kranar and Dan; the decennial census figure is the "most official" figure. I see no problem with mentioning sourced estimates in the body of the article, but I don't know that it's necessary for that to be in the infobox/geobox. In any case, it should always be made clear that they are estimates. Omnedon (talk) 15:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Naperville Library Fingerprint Policy

Would like a second opinion on the following (potentially negative) text that I removed from the article and am instead placing here on the discussion page... if anyone wants to restore it... go ahead... otherwise I am leaving it here in the discussion page...

  • In May 2005 a local technology company was contracted to install fingerprint scanners as a more convenient access method to the libraries internet computers [1] provoking some controversy. After further testing the technology was not implemented.


In way of response:
Naperville to implement fingerprint technology:
Naperville drops fingerprint requirement:
--MikeVitale 15:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
In response, I say, how does this affect the city itself? Not at all. If an article was written about the library district, then it could be included in there. Other than that, good choice removing it from the article.--Kranar drogin 23:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] People from Naperville

I am going to move this section here for the time being:

A number of residents of Naperville have gone on to fame in a variety of fields. These include:

And we can either add them into the article, or do like Feature Article Ann Arbor did and make a seperate page to list them under "See also".--Kranar drogin 02:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More sections

I am moving these sections here. The religious institutions I have not found yet on a single Feature Article city article. We will have to see how to incorporate this into the article, either in the history or tourism. Honors should not have its own section, this needs to be incoporated into the article with the given sections, and same with Events. Some of those events are notable enough to have on here, and some need to be just removed. When things are added back into the article, they will need to be cited since we are going to go for GA on this article. It is a "B" right now, but needs a lot of work to get to GA.--Kranar drogin 02:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Religious institutions

Naperville is home to many religious institutions, serving different faiths and denominations. Some of the area's first churches, First Congregational Church UCC of Naperville [3] whose congregation began worshiping together in 1833 is the oldest organized church in DuPage county and the second Congregational church in Illinois has been on its present site since 1846, the present St. John United Church of Christ congregation, was established in 1857 by German settlers. The church still holds monthly services in the German language.[9] The Century Memorial Chapel, on the grounds of the Naper Settlement outdoor museum, dates from 1864. This chapel was the original home of Saint John's Episcopal church, which was organized in 1850 as the first Episcopal church in DuPage County.[4]

Several of Naperville's religious institutions are also directly involved in education, such as Bethany Lutheran Church and School, Calvary Church and School (now located in Aurora, though for many years it was on Aurora Road in Naperville), St.Elizabeth Seton (http://sesnaperville.org), St. Raphael's Church and School, Saints Peter and Paul Church and School, and the All Saints Catholic Academy.

Congregation Beth Shalom built a new synagogue and education center in the 1990s, and the Islamic Center of Naperville is located on Olesen Drive. In addition to the Christian churches and congregations named, there are five total Roman Catholic churches, four Baptist churches, two Churches of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, five United Methodist churches, one Presbyterian (USA) church, the DuPage Unitarian Universalist Church, five Evangelical Lutheran churches, three Lutheran Missouri Synod churches, one Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses, one African Methodist Episcopal church, and many non-denominational churches.[5]

[edit] Honors

In July of 2006, CNN/Money and Money magazine ranked Naperville second on its list of the 100 best places to live in the United States (behind Fort Collins, Colorado). This was up one spot from the previous year, where the city was honored with third place. [1] The U.S. Census Bureau called Naperville "the country's best place to be a kid" in 2004. The city has been named "Most Kid-Friendly City in America" by Zero Population Growth, and continues to be rated very highly at their website (#3 out of 74 as of March 2006). [2]

Since 1998, the Naperville Public Library was ranked the #1 public library in the U.S. in the 100,000 to 249,999-population category by American Libraries magazine, the official magazine of the American Library Association. [3]

In 2000, Naperville had the highest average income amongst cities with populations over 70,000.

The AARP listed Naperville as one of its "top ten small towns for senior citizens" in 2000. Walking magazine listed Naperville on its top ten list of U.S. "walking towns," in 1999.

[edit] Events

The City of Naperville hosts many annual events, including:

  • Saint Patrick's Day Parade (typically held on the last Saturday just before or on 17 March)
  • Civil War Days (reenactments held at Naper Settlement, May)
  • Memorial Day Parade (last Monday in May)
  • Naper Days (formerly Joe Naper Day, in June), an outdoor festival
  • Ribfest (just prior to and including Independence Day), an outdoor food festival (with an emphasis on barbecue ribs) by Naperville Exchange Club
  • Last Fling (Labor Day weekend), an outdoor festival and carnival - by the Naperville Jaycees
  • Labor Day Parade (held on Labor Day)- by the Naperville Jaycees
  • Oktoberfest (Columbus Day weekend), an outdoor festival - by the Naperville Rotary Club
  • Series of summer concerts Thursdays in Central Park by the Naperville Municipal Band, (founded in 1861) [6] and carillon concerts at the Millennium Carillon.[7]

By 2007, a DuPage River Trail will be opened for pedestrians and bicyclists, stretching from the DuPage River Sports Complex (at Naperville's boundary with Bolingbrook, Illinois) through Knoch Knolls Park (south of the DuPage/Will county line) to the Riverwalk in downtown Naperville. As of early July 2005, the trail can only be hiked from 87th Street to Hobson Road. This is due to continuing legal negotiations between the city and homeowners along the trail. From Hobson Road north to the Riverwalk, the path is fully open to both pedestrians and bicyclists.

[edit] Possible changes additions

      • City Government - employs a Council-Manager form of municipal government consisting of a city manager, a part-time mayor, and an eight-member City Council. Though the current Mayor A. George Pradel works as though it is a full-time job, that is not intended or required. There is a page on such as it is common at least in Illinois.
  • minor - Auto Nation sold their car dealers in Naperville. Kidsheaven 00:51, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Organizational Issues

Why are Parks a subheading of Education? I just added a section on the Riverwalk under tourism, although really the whole Parks section should just go under tourism, shouldn't it? I'll make that change later, if nobody objects. -J TerMaat (talk) 21:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)